Comments on Profile Post by Lyander

  1. JK47
    JK47
    Leave
    Jan 7, 2018
  2. Lyander
    Lyander
    I should really have learned that ages ago, I blame my enjoying this hobby too much and wanting other people to have fun too. Hell, the rest of their gear is pretty decent, so I thought it'd be a waste to "settle" for a JDS ODAC. Gragh.
    Jan 7, 2018
  3. Kattefjaes
    Kattefjaes
    You can't outheal stupid. While someone could lend them a Yggdrasil and blow their mind, do they really deserve that right now?
    Jan 7, 2018
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  4. Lyander
    Lyander
    Kinda wondering at this point if they'll be able to hear a difference even if I had them listen to a DAVE or Pavane (neither of which I've heard myself but seem to be well-loved), considering how mulish some people can be about being right.

    But yeah, I start a new job later today, don't need the extra stress XD
    Jan 7, 2018
  5. insidious meme
    insidious meme
    How can he have a singular DAC as end game when all of them are the same? Get the cheapest and be happy.
    Jan 7, 2018
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  6. Kattefjaes
    Kattefjaes
    I hope it goes well!
    Jan 7, 2018
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  7. ButtUglyJeff
    ButtUglyJeff
    ...don't tell them about here
    Jan 7, 2018
  8. dmckean44
    dmckean44
    You'd think they'd at least hear the clipping in the ODAC.
    Jan 7, 2018
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  9. Lyander
    Lyander
    @insidious meme *gasp* That must be the answer! :))

    Thanks, @Kattefjaes! Bit nervous, but should be fun.

    @ButtUglyJeff No worries, I wouldn't drag that mess here. I like this place too much.

    @dmckean44 not sure how to respond— something about placebo and wishful thinking? XD
    Jan 7, 2018
  10. yotacowboy
    yotacowboy
    just whip out a multi-bit golden schlong, and let the ODAC shrivel like a frightened turtle. Easy-peasy.
    Jan 7, 2018
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  11. nithhoggr
    nithhoggr
    The more we try to convince those people they're wrong, the more they'll think we're paid shills of the audio industry or something. Better to just let them keep deluding themselves...arguing with them just wastes time & energy and if anything makes them more convinced that they're right.
    Jan 7, 2018
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  12. Cspirou
    Cspirou
    It depends how deep they are. If it's because they are just starting and read some NWAVGuy and Tom's Hardware and are afraid of wasting money, then I think its worth discussing a bit. If it seems like all they care about is proving you wrong then its better to stop now rather then let it drag on for 50 pages.
    Jan 7, 2018
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  13. Cspirou
    Cspirou
    There are certain people whose only posts consists of saying that DACs don't matter and that all you need are opamps. People like Xnor and CastleofArgh. They must be fun at parties.
    Jan 7, 2018
  14. Thad E Ginathom
    Thad E Ginathom
    There is madness on both sides. Someone might say, "It is not that expensive or difficult to achieve transparency." That may or may not be correct (not trying to start the argument here) but how then, in somebody else's head, does that become "everything sounds the same so you might as well buy xDAC."?
    Jan 8, 2018
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  15. ButtUglyJeff
    ButtUglyJeff
    They're afraid an audition might make their world come crumbling down. They don't trust themselves...
    Jan 8, 2018
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  16. Lyander
    Lyander
    @yotacowboy HAHA, that's one way to go about it, but I doubt it's worth the effort of trying to stuff a proper DAC into my pocket to whip out at my convenience :P

    @nithhoggr Or worse, that people who DO spend on nice DACs etc are merely trying to justify their purchases and are unable to hear unbiasedly as a result. That's just character assassination!
    Jan 8, 2018
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  17. Lyander
    Lyander
    @Cspirou Hard to tell, really. Dude's got some not-crap gear (e.g. Audeze EL 8, Lake People G109, Senn IE8), just seems to be a massive DAC skeptic. He does seem like a CastleofArgh type, so I gave up engaging not long before posting this.

    Really though, their saying it's *all* a matter of reducing jitter is kinda oversimplifying it, no? Kinda gives you a hint of where they usually read.
    Jan 8, 2018
  18. Lyander
    Lyander
    @Thad E Ginathom What the gent I was speaking with said was "the ODAC does a great job and measures exceptionally well", which sounded a bit off to me, so I got hooked into engaging. Definite madness on both sides though.
    Jan 8, 2018
  19. Lyander
    Lyander
    Granted, it was my fault for initiating and suggesting an ODAC may be a bottleneck given the rest of his chain (they posted a WTB for one in a FB group I'm in for $90), but gah.

    Also, @ButtUglyJeff, they do save money in the end, though, so not sure who the actual winners are LOL
    Jan 8, 2018
  20. Thad E Ginathom
    Thad E Ginathom
    Ha Ha... even I would say that it does a great job. Going back to mine wouldn't make me suffer. Good enough for my ears, at least!

    But be-all-and-end-all... well, nothing is that.
    Jan 8, 2018
  21. Thad E Ginathom
    Thad E Ginathom
    By the way, just as a mental exercise, for the everything-sounds-the-same crowd, you could try saying that everything /could/ sound the same if simple transparency was /everybody's/ design criteria. But it isn't, and never will be.

    The actual criterion is anything from house sound to broken!
    Jan 8, 2018