Comments on Profile Post by Merrick

I pretty much loved it except for the entire Canto Bight plot. That was lame. Seems like they didn't know what to do with two characters.

We wanted to see the triumphant return of Luke Skywalker and instead we got a Luke that considered killing his still conflicted nephew and then ran and hid. To some of us, the handling of this childhood icon vs. what they could have done was attrocious. Insulting actually.

The Leia in space scene was as bad if not worse than anything in the Prequels.

Snoke was powerful enough to bridge minds and levitate Rey around the room but doesn't notice a lightsaber being pointed at him from a foot away? He and Phasma were established as main/major villians and then arbitrarily killed off.

There is a main plot line about a race against time until the rebels ... run out of gas (seriously?) Their escape plan was to leave the ship in transports as 'all of a sudden' the bad guys can track cruisers through hyperspace but won't pick up dozens of transports.

Hux, leading the FO armada is written to be an idiot (can you hear me now?) and Snoke supposedly had an idiot running his armada by design? He makes a comment to Kylo on this that I didn't umderstand.

The Rose/Finn code breaker plot line served no purpose and the campy humor at the casino was not what diehards went to the theater to see. Then they have Po go on a mutiny instead of simply explaining the (supposedly plausible) escape plan.

So, they made up force powers, arbitrarily disposed of villians, created plot lines that were either irrelevant or not believable within the SW Universe, forced corny humour, in many opinions gave Leia a historically hokey scene and pissed all over Luke in what will be their conclusions in the franchise.

damnit

@Mithrandir41 That was the 5% I didn’t like.

@BillOhio A lot of your complaints feel like nit picking, if you dissect any movie enough it will seem bad. And I absolutely loved the way they handled Luke, been a fan of the series since I was four years old and had not a single complaint about Luke’s role in this.

I can suspend disbelief as well as the next guy but missed opportunities, blatantly flawed plot points, irrelevant characters and story lines and a lack of faithfulness to or even respect for hallowed source material is the explanation for why so many of us are down on this film as you referenced to start the thread.

I honestly thought it was the most exciting and genuinely thrilling Star Wars film since Empire. It’s a shame people aren’t embracing this film for taking chances.

I was going to let it rest but whoa now... Rogue One took chances and a lot of the same people pissing on Last Jedi cheered Rogue One because Rogue One actually seemed to love and appreciate the source material as much as the audience while putting a plausible and relevant story line together. Last Jedi didn't do either of those.

I hated Rogue One. The characters were totally forgettable. The plot devolved into video game “hit this target, flip this switch” stuff. And the fan wank with Vader was so cloying. I’m also very much not a fan of exploring every inch of the OT period, I can’t wait for the movie where Wedge goes to the bathroom!

Oh and CGI Tarkin and Leia were awful awful awful.

I think all the filmmakers who have made SW movies since the Disney takeover have respect for the OT, but Johnson respected the OT enough to no just rehash it, and I appreciate that, because I really would have hated TLJ if it were a ESB remix the way TFA was an ANH remix.

No argument on Tarkin and Leia but at least the characters as they were used in the story made sense as opposed to, for instance, Leia flying through space or Ackbar being killed off, off screen after 35 years with hardly any acknowledgement. How you could prefer Luke milking a space walrus to Vader in all his glory escapes me.

Jyn advanced more in the second half of her movie than Rey or Kylo did in all of this one and the Rogue One characters had believable, anchored backgrounds and motivations. Hell, so did Krennic for that matter.

Well, agree to disagree. And it’s a shallow tactic to take a half second joke moment from TLJ and compare that to the Vader scene in Rogue One when Luke has an amazingly badass send-off that wiped the floor with the Vader scene. Plus Luke didn’t make any puns in TLJ.

The half second joke epitomized the usage of Luke throughout the movie and I'll take Vader's pun over the military leader of the First Order standing there doing some kind of slapstick 'can you hear me now' bit to start the movie.

The most iconic Jedi we'll apparently ever have ending his run with a worthless suicide after using powers that don't make any sense in cannon doesn't occur to me as badass or a show of respect from the director.

The PT establishes that Force ghosts don’t exist until Qui-Gon figures out how to do it. Why can’t Luke develop a new power? He is a Jedi master and by all accounts one of the most powerful Jedi in history. And no, I don’t think the blue milk moment epitomizes how Luke is treated in the film any more than Yoda fighting R2 for the food ration on Dagobah epitomizes Yoda.

That wasn't Force Ghost Luke at the end, that was him projecting himself as a hologram from presumably millions of miles away which had never even been referenced before in 7 films. To all of a sudden be using this power out of nowhere seems pretty cheap to me.

Yoda fought R2 as a ruze to feel out Luke before revealing himself as a wise and ancient master. Luke was just a bitter kook who did one (implausible) Jedi thing in two movies before killing himself after having crapped all over the Jedi. Why even have him in the movies then?

edit* I see what you're saying about develpoment of new powers ala Qui-Gon... but just having new powers show up out of nowhere came across to a lot of us as just lazy writing that disrespected the OT.

As I said, we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one, because I found the film to be quite respectful to the OT while still charting its own course forward, and thank goodness it did so because this isn’t the OT and should feel like it’s own set of films.

Hallowed characters? I feel like people forget how bad the track record for star wars was. 4 was good. Just good. 5 was excellent. The other 4 movies in the Lucas film era were complete trash.

I feel like hardcore fans consistently build up star wars to be more than it is, a fun action fantasy romp.

I don't know why anybody who considerd RotJedi 'complete trash' or who goes to a SW movie Not wanting to see Vader going off with a sabre and the force would even attend these movies.

I don’t mind Vader going ballistic, it just felt like fan wank in the context of that particular sequence of a disappointing movie.

The end of Rogue One Vader scene? That was awesome. Showed a side of Vader we never saw in the originals, probably due to tech limitations. The awesome power of a sith lord.

...and getting fan wanked is partly why I pay $18.25 and go to the theater at 1:30 AM on opening night, so long as that wank isn't at the expense of the story which I don't feel the Vader scene was at all. Luke made out to be a bitch while literally destroying the Jedi that I grew up being fascinated by though? F that.