Denon D7200 (new flagship)

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  1. Maxx134

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    Can't say.
    I haven't had time to listen but will try this weekend.
    Also I dont have the Atticus for comparison but it already has known compsrosons to Eikon.
    My setup is now in room where closed cans not needed so I gravitate to HEKV2 still..

    The problem with your observations is that these quoted part is no where close to being the same as everyone else.

    I am fairly certain it is because your not powering the Dennons sufficiently,
    as it is not optimal with gear that power an Andromeda IEM.

    It is still very sensitive, but I noticed the Dennons did sound different and better with more power.
    That is certain from my testing.

    Powered from my phone they do sound flat but still great resolve and as you say "reference-like" tunning.

    At home with my different amp outputs, and in meet conditions with the woo waa33, the increase in power definitely makes the Dennon climb.

    Also I agree the comparisons of price range differences in other countries can affect descision making,
    But you try rationalize an IEM and an open can (HD800) with a closed can,
    And the only thing in common they do compete against, is your wallet.
     
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    From what I am reading, the sound characteristics of these cans matches my auditory preferences. That they are not utterly stupidly priced is appealing too.

    Sound quality aside...

    1.) Does anyone have any opinions on physical comfort, say over a period of 2-3 hours?

    2.) Has anyone worn these while wearing glasses, and if so, your thoughts please.
     
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    I was with them last night and the cups cover area over the glasses but they are plush and soft so not feel bad at all..

    Edit:
    Woops that observation was for the Eikon.

    With the Dennons, they are lighter so you don't even notice any clamp when using the Ori pads.
    I do not have the stock pads around to compare but doubt there would be an issue.
     
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  4. Maxx134

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    Ive been playing with The Dennon and found it is more responsive to modding than other cans I already tuned to my liking.
    It needs help to climb but is a great can to personalize sound.
    Pads swap to ZMF ORI pads may be enough for some.
     
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    The TH-X00 headband creates an unbearable amount of pressure for me after just a few minutes. It's not padded enough, or puts the pressure along too narrow a line. Or something. Does the Denon use the same headband? I can't really tell from the pictures.
     
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    Same type, but the 7200 padding seems worse despite the crisscross stitch pattern. I don't remember the X00 feeling this hard on top of the head.
     
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    In value terms Denon kicks the shit out of Sony MDR-Z1R cans. Homeav sells Denon for 499£. They should suit my gaming needs neatly. Main concerns: comfort in long term sessions and a tad suppressed sound stage.
     
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    where are the comparisons to the Eikon at?
     
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    I'm mostly looking for a closed can so I don't disturb my SO late a night. I prefer open headphones but they do bleed sound and interfere with others sleep.

    I tend to prefer an easy going headphone for longer listening sessions (a few hours) so a laid back or slightly suppressed sound stage is okay, but for some reason these look un-comfy. I can't even place my finger on why and yea just looking at them is no indicator of comfort. It doesn't take much either to go from comfy to annoying. A pressure point, pushing on the ears, pushing on the top of my head.
     
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    Hi buddy, that was mix up I meant to say the Atticus compared to the Eikon is known.

    Atticus is a thicker larger sounding headphone than Eikon ,
    Yet I vastly prefer Eikon due to the driver biocellulous natural characteristics and signature, plus Eikon's bit more resolution and capability which to me is untapped still.


    Anyways, I willl try give some Dennon to Eikon observations..

    Think of the Dennon as a deeeper closer and taller presentation with the overall resolution a bit more pronounced over the smoother sweeter Eikon,
    which also has a thicker speaker like bass while the Dennon has a more solid type of sub-bass slam of a solid nature unheard before .
    Older Dennons are more like eikon in bass.

    Dennon will never have as large a Soundstage as the Eikon,
    but it can get as good as a Utopia with modding. They share a similar sonic image of clarity and depth.

    Eikon normally is larger and in between Utopia and HEKV2 in Soundstage.
    Eikon sound is more smoother/natural in details,
    while Dennon seems sharper/quiker/rougher and is more influenced by its hollow wood cup.

    Dennons can be a bit closer to sibilance while Eikon is free from it.

    Dennons have bit more nervous energy untill burn in, then settle down to be more transparent.
    I feel this due to the driver surround.

    Eikon biocellulous driver is more natural but Dennon driver unique sound having realism with less sonic traits of paper,
    Yet unlike any sonic traits of plastic or metal or mineral coated drivers.

    Maybe closest to transparency with positive paper atributes of amazing bass solidity/slam.

    Both Dennon and Eikon deliver a more refined realistic bass over older Dennons, And not exaggerated and overdone like an Elear or Sony.

    Eikon is the more balanced neutral presentation,
    While Dennon is a more lively forward presentation with more Japanese mid-range tunning.

    The Eikon has way more refined internal damping with 8layers of material I observed, and so already optimized.

    While the Dennon have one simple light square layer of material and is hollow,
    So ripe for modding potential in Soundstage and signature changes.

    At first I didn't like the Dennon headband because it have a top spot even though it looked better.
    This has improved as it more flexible with use so I am ok with it now.

    Bottom line is these are both my favorite two best closed headphones.
    I am torn by the quality and beauty of both headphones, although the Pauduk wood looks nicer :)

    Pictured below is the Dennon with ORI pads:
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    :)

    If you do not plan to DIY, I would go for the more balanced Eikon.
    If your ok with closer presentation and pad swapping,
    then Dennon and Ori pads are a sweet deal.
    If your a real bass head then other cans like Atticus/Elear/Sony may be your bet..
     
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    Just heads up if you are in Canada and thinking about purchasing one.

    Amazon Canada is currently selling AH-D7200 for US$550.

    They also have one used pair in very good condition for US$485.

    Pretty good deal IMO.
     
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    I am actually unique in preferring the heavier timbre of the Atticus. To some the Eikon sounds more realistic than the Atticus.

    These stupid things are cheaper everywhere else but the US. Maybe later when one comes up FS or something I will jump. I have already seen them for good prices.

    Thanks for the impressions! I am a real basshead but bass more solid is desirable.
     
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    Oh yeah. Atticus definitely.
     
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    yeah, that's a bit of a bummer. Soundstage of the AH-D7200 unfortunately lacks depth and thus does not have the "3D" stage (i know it's not a good term) of the TH-900, making it inferior when gaming and watching movies. HD 800 remains uncontested but imo that's a headphone for another comparison.

    T5p 2G has superior soundstage and imaging overall in comparison with the D7200 but lacks good tonality, balance and has that dreaded can effect of closed headphones. I wouldn't trade it for the Denon at all, even though during gaming you really notice how the Denon falls behind.

    I wonder if (angled) pads could change this noticably towards the better.
     
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    Yeah I noticed this too.

    A bit Lower timbre also seems to have easier recognition of instruments for me as the details seem more natural than a brighter signature like an HD800 which I ended up changing more like the darker 800S.

    Unfortunately the Dennon stock forwardness seems to come across as a brighter tonality and air overall,
    Although break in alleviates it somewhat.
     
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    I'd like a little more air and detail push from the Eikon, but the soundstage on it is SUPER Impressive, hopefully there will be a closed back can with both!

    Still I don't really want another Modded Denon as my Flagship, I love the Lawton Modded classic Denons they sound AMAZING but... I'd really like something a little more standardized as my point of reference, especially when I'm doing comparisons in a Review. Using Modded closed backs as my reference hasn't been super-helpful to any one in the bigger communities. As they're not always so egar to mod, Ideally as you guys know, I want to be able to relate to and appeal to every one! Both those willing to mod and those not willing. I'd like two points of reference for each crowd. SO for now I'll have my modded open back HE 4 and a closed back stock Eikon
     
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    Yes I noted the ZMF Ori pads are a perfect fit ,
    and giving you a bit more balanced sound stage
    with detailing & liveliness retained while adding some extra sub-bass slam.
     
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    The Ori pads are just one option as i was told the audeze pads have more detail and the Ori is a bit darker.
    The question is how good do the Audeze pads fit.

    The stock pads i consider lean and tight sounding and comfort wise is a bit stiff.

    I will have more accurate observations over weekend if noone else does.
     
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    I just tried my Dekoni sheepskin pads last night. They definitely add more subbass, but the mids don't sound as forward and I feel like the treble is a bit too recessed for my taste now. It seems like they kept the FR as flat as it is with the stock pads, but the FR has tilted much more towards the "dark" side. Didnt really notice any appreciable difference in soundstage, but the dekoni pads are super comfortable and seal better (on my head at least). I feel like the dark tilt might have something to do with the distance between ear & driver (since the dekoni pads are about 25% thicker and slanted a bit more). Need to compare more, but I think I may go back to the stock pads.
     
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    If this is the case, as it seems to be,
    Then a less thick pad may be more optimal.
    I believe the Audeze is less thick but will need to see how they fit.
    I would advise all to hold off on Ori pad being most optimal untill we find out more pads impressions.
    I just ordered slimmer HifiMan focus A pads..
     
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