Focal Utopia Review (collective stream of consciousness)

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  1. purr1n

    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    Oh no, they are certainly not good enough to justify the cost. $4000 is stupid. There's huge markup on these. The secret to big boy audio stuff of course is to NEVER buy at retail and only buy used stuff at 40-60% of retail. 98% of Head-Fi'ers are retarded for paying so much.

    On the bass, I don't think anyone should be expecting high SPL low bass capability from these. The 40mm driver is bigger than the HD6X0 drivers, but still smaller than the HD800. I feel the motor is better than the HD800's, but the lack of the surface area (for an open dipole radiation headphone) allows it to only do so much. The distortion measurements confirm this.
     
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    @beowulf : Don't rely so much on my opinon. Listen to it by yourself. I know some people who love the Utopia much more than I did and the Focal is a really good headphone.

    And Yes I think the fact the driver is small has some drawbacks. Think a lightweight world champion. fast , technical , very agile but still not the power of an heavyweight. Something like that.
     
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    Despite its stupid price, I still feel the Utopia deserves a Golden Schlong Award for breaking new ground with exotic material dynamic drivers, actually being built to luxury standards (unlike the HE1000), and not having excessive sonic weaknesses, while doing more than a few things very well.
     
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    @sorrodje

    "lightweight word champion". So this is the headphone to wear in order to boost my scrabble score then? :)

    On a more serious note - would you say the Utopia is a genre master or an all-rounder? I haven't heard it but from what you're telling me it sounds suitable for classical music but perhaps not bass heavy genres? But I could be mistaken. Do you think there are any genres that suit it especially well?
     
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    The impedance measurements actually show that the Utopia driver is tuned for a lot more extension compared to the HD800, which also means more distortion. I actually get lower distortion measurements at 90db on my rig for my HD800, but it's always difficult to compare results from different rigs.
    What I'd be interested in is to see how the efficiency of the drivers between HD800 and Utopia compare. I'm fairly certain the HD800 housing wastes more energy and the Utopia also has the sensitivity advantage because of its lower impedance. I'd also like to take measurements to look at the break-up modes of the Be diaphragm. Should be way higher than the Elear.
    From what I've read the HD800 driver isn't made of Mylar either. The driver itself is basically perfectly flat from 3kHz to 38kHz from my measurements.

    Another thing to keep in mind for the distortion measurements is that the HD800 driver voice coil diameter is about the same size as the diameter of the whole Utopia driver. Even with the hole the HD800 driver has almost twice the surface area of that of the Utopia driver. Still, size isn't everything. Sony can have headphones with huge 70mm drivers with crappy bass quality.
     
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    I haven't listened to enough genres yet to comment on it's suitability as an all-rounder, but for me the clarity, speed, and microdynamic abilities of the Utopia make it a great choice for modern, well-produced, studio recordings. No tape hiss or older recording grit for the Utopia to accentuate. Been spending time with the recently released Hamilton Mix Tape and the Utopia handles the stripped-down simple stuff as well as the layered, complex stuff well.

    I'm also enjoying clean remasters of older pop/rock, like Ziggy Stardust for example. Instruments sound very realistic and present. Again, the combo of speed, clarity, and micro- shines here.

    I even broke out some Helloween that I haven't listened to in ages. This kind of theatrical, bombastic metal with aggressive guitars and over-the-top drum and bass work all come together in a way that sounds tonally right and detailed without being overly crisp.

    @sorrodje's point about percussion being particularly great is right on. This is something I noticed on the Elear as well, and it's taken to a higher level on the Utopia.
     
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    Honestly it's in my opinion probably the more honest attempt to produce a really totl headphone in the last years. In that sense , It deserves an award. Focal did a great job and didn't try to f**k their customers. But I still think we shouldn't reward that kind of insane prices. Maybe add some conditions with a * like we did for the abyss or 009 before ( buy used or discounted , don't feed that insane trend of crazy prices blablabla )
     
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    More an all rounder but super picky for recording quality. No free lunch. A very transparent headphone can"t hide crap. It's both analytical and kinda tuned to be slightly euphonic/"HIFI sound" (which I precisely dislike) .
     
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    After 16 days, the Utopia's right driver just died on me. Pretty shocked to find out, since I was just using it 13 hours prior... I've been listening to it around an hour a day since I got it. Could the driver be that fragile? If so, why only the right side?
     
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    Wow! No transferable warranty on these. I'm sure that's a $1000 fix if it's out of warranty....
     
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    Yep, I believe Ultrasone one of first to start that trend,
    But they only tac on an extra thousand or so for overseas to US...
    Then the Abyss outdid them, and now Focal


    Although it's great to me it cannot beat the 800 at concerts or classical.


    Sony is like an anomaly lol.
    I always find larger surface area an advantage to the low end impact,
    And a kind of advantage in planars.

    That should not be a problem or alarm as I doubt Focal would let an incident like this go unresolved.
    IMO, from dealing with broken drivers, Worst case they would charge a few hundred for driver...
    That's what Ultrasone charged me.
    HiFiman didn't charge me anything for broken HEK driver that broke in transportation.
    Yet I am curious to know the outcome.
     
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    Has anyone taken apart the headband on the utopias? Mine seems to have a part of screw loose in the headband. Looks like just a few tiny screws to take off at the base of the hand and, but I would love to know more before I explore.
     
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    In case it wasn't stupid enough, I saw this at an audio show last Saturday. Not sure if it's real or a replica. There wasn't one available to listen to, diamond encrusted or not.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Update on my broken driver:

    I contacted Focal NA, specifically Trina Jensen who's in charge if warranty claims, and they asked me to send the broken unit in. A day after they received it, they confirmed the broken driver, and despite being the second owner, I've been informed that they're sending me a new pair. I'm pretty ecstatic about it, and couldn't be any happier. :)
     
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    I really hope that Focal plied Marv and Tyll with hookers, blow and a metric fuckton of viagra, 'cause I can't imagine being sober and getting more than a half-chub listening to this headphone.

    Initial impressions:
    • Don't turn the volume up with these, Fletcher-Munson do the Utopia no favors.
    • Vocals sound a tad rich, like laidback upper mids, but there's that occasional spotlit quality to them which hints at treble problems. Not as blatant as with an HD800.
    • Poor recordings sound even worse than they should.
    • The bass calls attention to itself, but not in a traditional shitty HT subwoofer kind of way. More like a dynamic that's trying for planar magnetic levels of tactility and falling just short.
    • Good detail retrieval, instrument separation, so-so soundstage. It's fairly continuous and focused, but isn't as grand as the HD800 or even AKG K701. Nor is it intimate. Kind of blandly good in a narrow way like you get with the better stats.
    • At low volumes the attack sharpness doesn't carry through, only a dynamic with so-so dynamics. Probably the sort of headphone people buy to justify dropping twice as much on a massive tube amp. To belabor the point, you need both volume and tubey sound for these to approximate fun.
    • Build quality isn't just drool or jizz worthy, it demands the spilling of blood. All of the fucks were given in the industrial design department. And the box, I want to live in that box.
    • 4K for an unsheathed cable with neutrik connectors? So pedestrian.
    • I'm listening to music and I forgot that I was listening to music to think of what industrial processes must have gone into the build. This is a luxury toy, not a thrilling audiophile necessity.
    • Pick at that shlong and the 24k plating's only skin deep.
    • Brass in the balls though, can't imagine any other reason Focal would release this headphone in a market segment where it would have to compete with the HE1K, 009, Abyss (which at least had bass to die for). Hell, I'd take an HD800 over it any day.
     
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    After being initially displeased with what this headphone wasn't (a candidate for best ever), it has taken me some time to learn to appreciate it for what it is (pretty damn good). Most of this shift may be attributed to choosing to listen to mostly electronic music. While simple-miked acoustic recordings betray the Utopia's so-so ambience retrieval and vocals couple with strings or cymbals to highlight the Utopia's occasionally spotlit treble, purely artificial soundscapes steer clear of evoking perceptible limitations. It helps that the bass extension is near limitless and even busy mixes resolve clearly into distinct instruments, be they synth or otherwise. There's still a strange almost sort of overdamped quality to the bass -- an unnaturalness which, like sorrodje earlier in this thread, I have trouble putting my finger on. But at moderate volumes it's easy enough to forgo being troubled by it and sink into the groove.

    Good recordings remain a pre-requisite, I can even see people using this headphone to check mixes for potential problems. And who knows, maybe the community will eventually dare to do the unthinkable and mod away the few troublesome aspects of Utopia's SQ.

    One final niggle comes up with the otherwise simply spectacular build quality: why bother with a carbon fiber frame if it leads to such a bizarre weight distribution? It becomes a lightweight high-tech bra for two cumbersome boulders, these trully massive headphone drivers which give planar magnetic assemblies a run for their money.

    OK, I can see the Focal Utopia competing with other top tier dynamics in the ~1k category. Are they worth the commitment of end-game money? Probably not for me, but they certainly wouldn't be the worst headphone to find their way into an audiophile's more-money-than-sense-type rig. And they'll look damn good doing it.
     
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    That is great to know! Way to go Focal NA. If you could please let Trina know, we all appreciate the support, for all customers, not just direct ones.
     
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    Sharing this post from the other side. Makes complete sense of what happened in my case.

    Originally Posted by TSAVJason

    If a product fails within 90 days of its original sale they will replace it even if you are not the original owner.
     
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    nice opinion !:bow:
     
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    Hello friends long time lurker,

    I've read this whole thread and I do have to agree with a lot that's been said here. These just do everything pretty well, and personally I'm impressed with his dynamism and bass response. Perhaps inspired by @Marvey's comment about the first few Taylor Swift albums I put them on for the first time ever (decent but if I'm being honest I'm not that big of a country guy, I particularly picked up her accent wtf :p). Here's the thing, I found myself finding them slightly bright during this session. I don't lnow if it was because I've been reading this thread but it's like a "can't unhear" thing now haha.

    I'm running a Yggdrasil -> Rag > balanced FAW cable. My question is to those who have heard these with the ZDS, do you think it's worth it to replace my Rag with a ZDS / similar or would the cost outweigh the benefit?
     

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