Neil Young to try again - Launching streaming service soon

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  1. DigMe

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    So he's abandoning the first effort and its users as a bad job?

     
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    Not willing to take the hit on profits to bring it back up again on his own. So now he's gone full Meridian.

     
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    I love almost everything Neil Young's done musically, but damn, his dubious technical claims and passion projects-as-businesses make him not that great a public face for high fidelity music.

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    After years of ^^^^ how can he even tell the difference between 320k MP3 and anything else?
     
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    I gotta admit though, Apple buying your content provider just to shut them down has got to be a pretty big blow for a small company to recover from. In the meantime, 7digital is not a bad download service in it's own right, wouldn't really have made any sense for them to have their own store and then also provide store content for Pono's download model.
     
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    No kidding!
     
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    Nowadays, whenever I think of Neil Young, I inexplicably think of Toblerone.
     
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    Don't insult toblerone!

    Love some of his music too, but he can take his porno/hi-res nonsense and stick it up his arse.

    (That's ass in American)
     
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    Hah, so Neil Young is still a phthing?
     
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    Sinking fast. Probably listening at about five thphathoms just now.
     
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    I wish I had the chance to ask Mr. Young why high resolution transfers from old master tapes into larger bit buckets wit higher frequencies would make any difference sound-wise? First-generation tape can store up to 65-70db of dynamic range, which equals to like 12 bits, at best. Why would you put it into a 24 (32??) bit container..? The new uprez-ed music might have 32 bits but only up to 12 bits of dynamic range. Let your upsampling cd player do its job.

    This is NOT Hi-Rez music, sorry Mr. Young. You can't make Led Zeppelin - II or Sabbath Bloody Sabbath Hi-Rez by simply transferring the master tapes into 24/192 carrier buckets. If you call this Hi-Rez, then how would you call an album that was digitally recorded, mixed and mastered in, let's say, 24/88.2? (Any time you move a fader down, you ar killing bits)! That should be called Hi-Rez Music, exclusively.

    Of course, that would be bad for business as the major labels (Sony, Warner, Universal) couldn't sell their inventory again, this time upRez-ed, to the people. Stockfisch, 2L, MDG, AIX, Naxos, etc. those are the labels/makers of truly high resolution music. But those are all modern recordings made with equipment capable of accurately capture the sound in 24/88.2 or higher. Alas, you won't find Deep Purple and Miles Davis in their offerings.

    For Mr. Young, what only matters is the size of the delivery container and to keep the business rolling. One might argue that he has been making the effort to bring attention to hi-rez music, but it will eventually do more harm than good as people will download these uprez-ed music and they will find no increased fidelity by comparing to their old cd or vinyl albums.
     
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    DING DING DING. We have a winner. Close second place in the "let's sell it all again" cash grab goes to MQA.

    I can only imagine the all night hooker & blow parties at RIAA every time they invent a new way to sell the same source data dressed up in a new skirt. Would make the office party scenes from "The Wolf of Wall Street" look like a Girl Guides outing.
     
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    Previously it seems you needed a Toblerone to benefit from the high-resolution revolution.

    Now you can just stream high quality and play it using whatever you've got?

    I applaud the idea of bringing high-quality music to the masses at a reasonable price. Unfortunately, I don't the masses care, and I don't think he has a clue how to do it.
     
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    Neil Young has done so much damage. He made tons of people aware of hi-res audio and the idea of source/master quality but inextricably linked it to all sorts of bullshit moar=better thinking. Any time digital audio or playback comes up with friends, students or acquaintances I have to spend time distancing myself from or debunking this shit.
    Lossless streaming sounds great and all but as @shipsupt said, most do not care. People won't leave Spotify for Tidal (which has major artist exclusives and a large catalog) and they sure as hell aren't going to do it for this thing.
     
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    Worse, I am not sure he really understands what makes high quality digital recordings high quality, necessarily. I'd like to think he's just clueless rather than dishonest, and being lead astray.
     
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    His own albums available in hi-res sound excellent, so I think he understands that good mastering is important too.
     
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    Not sure what Mr. Young knows. If the original source was well recorded and preserved, I think that Hi-Rez has a place. I certainly learned the hard way with SACD and DVD-A. And of course many of the albums available on HDTtracks with their horrible compression/ limiting . I think it's really the remixing and the remastering plus the source that makes or breaks a remastered release. Unfortunately I am finding the original release of the CD for classic albums from the 60's onward to be mostly the best digital files available. I know that it can be done much better in most cases. Listen to the Steven Wilson versions of Jethro Tull, Yes and others.
     
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    High-resolutionmusic: invention of the marketing men. No such thing. Big lie.
    High-quality music, on the other hand ...
    Not so sure, Merrick. I have not done the work myself, but have read of latest issues of his albums being more compressed than the older ones.

    Sorry, cannot substantiate with links. It's been a while since the porno controversy was raging, and I really don't feel like revisiting it.

    And even if all this hi-res stuff is true*, Young's marketing was pure bullshit.


    *Maybe not an idea to turn this thread into that argument, but what one normally hears is "Well, I bought a 24/192 album and it sounded wonderful." Sure. But what did they compare it with. Usually nothing. Given that this is a technical pursuit, there is a huge amount of technical naivety in the audiophile world. Which is, of course, profited on. Lambs to the slaughter, and all that...
     
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    Unfortunately Tidal's selection is still vastly smaller than Spotify's. If Spotify HiFi comes to fruition, i'll be happy. My main reason for leaving Tidal was that it was missing a ton of music I like.
     
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    Also, that interface and discovery is horrible. I only listen to albums on tidal when I already have an album in mind.
     

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