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  1. Kattefjaes

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    Unfortunately these kinds of records are not specific to one website. As an example, sign up for a UPS account and it'll ask you for things like your father's address [so the database on you already knows 1) who your father is and 2) where he lives] to verify who you are.
     
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    It isn't a false alarm, just a friendly reminder that a shit load of your data is actually available through public records. I have access to a lot of the same information through LexisNexis; this stuff is always available for a price. Interesting that this site is free, typically sites like this charge for it.
     
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    There are other sites where information this like can be obtained for free. Nothing special or all that alarming here.
     
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    IMO your best defense against folks getting information about you is to be so boring that it is pointless.
     
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    Wow, well, I suppose it's good that it's no new panic.. aren't there data protection laws in the US?
     
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    Birth, Marriage, home purchase ect. are all public records in the US. Pretty easy to find out this info from a records search if you know some basic info about the person. (county they live in) With things like social media is just gets easier.
     
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    This lists all of my criminal convictions since I was 18! It doesn't include any from 2016 (yet).

    There ought to be a law against these kinds of websites!
     
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    On a more serious note, my niece was on this website, a few months ago, and found that I had a brother that has never been spoken of. I told her that it was an error. She believed the website and would not get off of my case until I told her I would check into that. I will not be checking. I don't have a brother.

    I just now looked myself and some friends and relatives up. I had to know a bit about them to select the correct person from the list of names. Even then there were errors in every one. And there were several versions of me and others to choose from with various different bits of accurate and inaccurate information. They do a poor job as far as accuracy on familytreenow.com.

    I know this all is a matter of public record. I don't like it being free and easy for people to search on such things. That is the way things are now.
     
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    They are just compiling the data, its readily available somewhere else. Its not like they are pulling information not already available to anyone who can run a few searches.
     
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    I was just joking around in that post.
     
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    yeah, I saw your next post when mine posted. lol. You forgot to use the sarcasm font. You would be surprised though how many people don't realize the information about them that is available via public records.
     
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    Wow.. mine actually had surveillance video of me picking my nose. Shocking!
     
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    ^^ Yeah, I saw that, and that other thing you did.
     
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    There are privacy laws, sort of, on a corporate level (what they can do with personal information), but not on a personal / individual rights level. This is why the FBI vs. Apple thing happened on that iPhone owned by the terrorist. Privacy laws are non-existent / weak in the US compared to EU.

    On the other hand, it can be argued that once something is codified, it might offer governments (or corporations) a legal avenue to get to private personal information. US citizens tend to distrust government more than people from from other countries.
     
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    Federal US law: GLB Act 1999, another one ECPA before that in 1986.
    California: CalECPA SB 178, 2016 and SB1 CFIPA 2004.

    What GLB did was legalize ways which financial institutions could use personally identifiable information. It was automatic opt-in for information sharing, not default opt-out. It was pretty weak in terms of individual protection. SB1 in California made it automatic opt-out - because many Californians realized GLB was bullshit. SB1 and GLB pertainly mostly to financial industries (they companies who tend to have most personally identifiable information).

    SB178 was a step forward and codifies what California must do (get a warrant) to get their hands on your encrypted porn and music collection.

    Companies in USA can do all sorts of background checks before you get hired for a job, drug testing, credit, criminal, etc. Even if it's for a low security job, a company has a right to ask a potential employee to submit to such screenings. In the EU / UK / AUS, these things are generally not allowed, unless the employee will work in a high security environment (airplane avionics and wiring harnesses, data centers that house French corporate / government / military data, etc.)
     
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    It doesn't seem that long ago that I would use cash rather than my credit card at Target stores, after their publicized breach.

    Since then, I have had:
    My credit card number stolen and thousands of dollars charged to it (the CC company reimbursed me but it was scary).
    My Office of Personnel Management data stolen by the Chinese (I am perfectly serious).
    My Social Security Card and Birth Certificate stolen in a burglary earlier this year.

    I still try to be careful, but after a point I feel like I am fighting a losing battle.
     
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    I was hoping that stayed between me and the Queen.
     
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    There will be no such thing as privacy as long as credit ratings agencies exist. The very notion of a credit ratings agency is an anathema to privacy. Anybody who knows how can get personal information down to your bank account numbers. There is no such thing as Internet anonymity, unless you are super careful 100% of the time. Being super careful 98% of the time doesn't cut it.

    In terms of protecting specific instances of your personal information, this is also impossible. Too much data in too many databases operated by too many entities around the world. It only takes one thing to break (malware infecting Home Depot Windows based POS, Target POS machine malware, spear phishing attacks on gov't e-mail, introducing malware in network, etc.)

    Just assume that nothing about you is private. Just easier that way.
     
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    What's at question is the potential value of the data. Phishing schemes work because although the potential ensnaring any one person is virtually nill, the potential for catching a small percentage of a large pool of people is quite good. Scale this to authentication for financial institutions and databases of cracked unencrypted personal info and still you have a favorable probability of gaining access to, for instance, a credit card account.

    If we move on to small-scale fraud, like extortion or revenge, then the potential value of a single person's data rises exponentially as they are likely to be alone in the set of primary targets. Should you have the misfortune of finding yourself on the receiving end of such criminal behavior, then neither Google scrubbing nor the complexity of your passwords would guarantee your safety. Even if you don't have an online presence, chances are that relatives or people you know participate in some form of online social networking, which leaves you vulnerable to social engineering.

    Now you can choose to be paranoid at all the potential realities, or pragmatic about dealing with your actual reality. It makes sense to choose a secure password in any online transaction and to ignore anything even remotely resembling spam in your emails, since you'll always be stuck with the very low but significant value as one of a vast pool of marks. It makes less sense to contact every online database and perform convoluted rituals to get your info removed. You will waste your own time and you'll only confirm your information to scammers.

    All of these sorts of paranoid information security memes are more effective at grabbing attention and contributing to low-level anxiety than performing any form of social service. Better not to feed the trolls.
     

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