Schiit Sol Turntable Sneak-Peak

Discussion in 'Vinyl Nutjob World: Turntable and Related Gear' started by purr1n, Jul 19, 2017.

  1. bazelio

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    Looks like there's a working solution for all common and necessary tweaks tonearm wise and that is very good to see. Azimuth looks like a common sense idiot proof approach, and vtf and vta basically look like set screw plus adjust in or out. Perfectly acceptable at the rumored price point.

    Glad the Schiitsters looked past the teardrop tonearm weight design, such as on the JMW, where it becomes difficult to adjust vtf without changing the azimuth slightly at the same time. And quite honestly the Schiit design looks easier to dial in small repeatable changes to these parameters. All good!
     
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    ya dude, now lets just pour cement into a container, make some lewd drawings on the wet concrete, and then drop the skeleton into the plinth.
     
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    Cspirou They call me Sparky

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    Crazy cheap I hope
     
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    This is shaping up beautifully for the price point Jason had in mind.
    A few initial thoughts....

    I hope they provide turntable feet that have good range to dial in the level of the turntable.

    Also, the next ask is somewhat controversial, BUT it can be implemented with some thought.

    @schiit , it would be nice to have the option for anti skating adjustment. Depending on a given cartridge or behavior of the arm, it could help some cartridges.
    Especially higher compliance ones.

    It can be done with a simple pulley, string, weight method like the old SME arms do it.
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    Here is how Project do it.
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    There are other fancy ways, but the above way seems to be very straightforward and simple.

    Many tonearm designers don't see the need for it, but when a cartridge that needs it shows up, its NICE to have :)

    Bravo on this turntable....I'm looking forward to seeing this on the market!
     
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    They got the anti skating option as per Marvey's post.
     
  6. JayC

    JayC Resident Crash Test Dummy

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    That looks more like the MP500, since the part that makes contact with the headshell on the 500 is yellow/gold (this would be black on the 110)..

    What confuses me is that the lower part of the cart's color scheme should be blackfor the stylus housing and gold for the terminal section, but as per the pictures you posted this color scheme is reversed:
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    Either way, this could be perfect for me to upgrade to once I graduate and start working towards the end of this year!

    EDIT: Forget what I said about the cart being an MP500. Its not, its definitely an MP110 and there are multiple indications of this if you look at the 110 next to this picture.
    I was just thrown off by the lighting making the top part look yellow.
     
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  7. ButtUglyJeff

    ButtUglyJeff Stunningly beautiful IRL

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    Is the frame/base/plinth (I never know what to call the base) cast aluminum? It sure looks it...

    I'm also excited to hear @schiit is considering options and multiple price points. It would be awesome if the entry level Schiit could be upgraded to the top notch Schiit over time. That's an approach VPI used to employ, but sadly it seems they are getting away from. Schiit knows their base and I bet it would work with their target audience.
     
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  8. Serious

    Serious Inquisitive Frequency Response Plot

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    If the armwand material is anything like the one me and my dad used for our DIY tonearm (it looks the same) it's going to sound more damped, but also less ringy than the VPI JMW 10.5 metal tonearm. Probably not nearly as dead as the 3D arm. Somewhere in between.
    With that design it would be super easy to switch tonearms and try out different materials. I suppose there's still room for improvement until release.
     
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    This seems like the ultimate tweaker's delight. What motor did they use?
     
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    I'm very happy to read and learn about turntable quality from the experienced folks here. Initially I was set on getting a fully-loaded U-Turn when I decided to go down this rabbit hole but it seems like this Schiit might be of higher quality? The U-Turn fully loaded with phono is basically $600 USD.
     
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    You may not know you "need" anti-skate, and often "need" is a strong word there. Skating force may or may not result in mistracking, but the best sound should occur with even stylus pressure being applied to both sides of the groove (as much as possible). Also, without anti-skate, I find that azimuth is non-constant across the surface of a 12" record from outer to inner grooves when using common uni-pivot arms. Azimuth measurements that use Fozgometer and a test record occur only at specific locations. Lastly, and I've never verified, people will claim that not using anti-skate will/can result in the cantilever being slowly pulled/bent away from the inner groove. And it seems intuitive that either of these side effects of forgoing anti-skate would measurably reduce cartridge lifespan.
     
  12. purr1n

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    Antiskate. I didn't notice this before.
     
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    Merrick A lidless ear

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    And really you'd want a separate phono anyway, I've not heard anything great about the U-Turn one.
     
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    some kind of casting process for the plinth, and maybe even the platter, would be a good way to keep the price down

    what material did you guys use? this looks like carbon fiber
     
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    The plinth and unipivot column are single piece cast aluminum. The platter seen here is machined, but I am not sure if the platter might be cast for the production version. The bearings for the platter would obviously be machined. The bearings are probably the most expensive part of the TT given the tolerances needed.

    No idea what kind of carbon the arm is. It doesn't look or feel like the typical carbon fibers in plastic resin. Knowing @baldr / Mike, it's probably some kind of carbon-carbon composite used in rail guns or lasers. Again, it felt more like a ceramic to me.
     
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    The more I stare at these pictures, the more I love of the design. I'll probably end up buying five arms so I can easily swap out cartridges at will.
     
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    I've decided to liquidate my Technics SL1210 for a few reasons (haven't really got into vinyl yet, need the money, probably moving house soon, not working at the mo, etc). If and when I look to get back into vinyl, the Schiit table will be my number one contender :)

    I'm probably asking the wrong (slightly biased :)) people (I know @Marvey isn't a fan of the SL1210) but I imagine the new Schiit table will be a significant improvement over the Technics? Generally speaking, what qualities or improvements would a turntable such as the Schiit exhibit over a direct drive such as the Technics?
     
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    Merrick A lidless ear

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    The more I look at it, the more I like the skeletal frame. It's not just another box. I know there are other skeletal frame style turntables out there, but for whatever reason this one is really catching my eye.
     
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    The Schiitr is going to have to move into an airline hanger if they keep expanding the product line like this.

    Suggestion for @schiit: improve UX on the website by listing the audio products you don't make. It would be shorter.
     
  20. purr1n

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    My experiences with the SL1200 varied depending upon condition of the table. In hindsight, @drfindley's was probably broken with bad bearings everywhere. He also had a fuzz mat which just made everything sound like shit. The SL1200 definitely needs a rubber mat.

    The SL1200's gooey lined plastic plinth, the platter, and the direct drive mechanism impart resonances and colorations that I am not fond of. The bass is particularly indistinct and lacks low end extension. The arm is kind of shitty and makes needles sound way less detailed, crisp, and extended in the highs than they should be, even on a properly maintained table. You can put an SL1200 and cheap $500 Pro-Ject (with a crappier cart) together, and most of the sound difference will still be due to the phonostage. There's something wrong with that, and I am not fond of the cheap Pro-Ject tables either.

    Keep in mind I've owned most of the lower priced tables, the Regas up to the 3, and the Pro-Jects, several times.
     
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