The Mike Moffat (#2 at Schiit) Blog

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    Not sure if I should envy those who can hear this or not ;)

    Yea in the exaggerated samples I can hear the warbling. In actual music, just doesn't register in my brain. Still even if I can't immediately pick up on it, it may contribute to listener fatigue. I love the advantages of Spotify, but I do find something about it grates on my nerves as compared with listening to my CDs.
     

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    Jebus, this talk about watermarking music is horrifying to me. That they actually do this. Just... awful.
     
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    Water-marking VOD is old news too. Nothing really to be shocked about ;)

    As usual it is unfortunate that the honest customers have to pay a price for the dishonest, but there is nothing to be surprised about.
     
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    I always thought that digital audio watermarking came and went with DVD audio. Looks like I was misinformed.
     
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    I'm not sure if this has been discussed here, but with the production version of Gadget (which is said to have a USB input) on the horizon, I wonder if the Gadget would incorporate the Gen 5 USB.

    Part of me thinks the answer is no, for the following reasons:

    The Eitr is already priced at $179, and IIRC, the Gadget would be $199. If you could get what is essentially an Eitr with a superb re-tuner for $20 more, it would cannibalize on the pre-existing Eitr. No one would want to buy the Eitr (unless, Schiit decides to discontinue the Eitr once Gadget is released OR raise the price of Gen 5 USB-equipped Gadget). Also, IIRC, the Gadget supposedly comes in the same sized chassis as Eitr. I don't think it would be easy to fit Gen 5 USB and re-tuner in that small chassis (unless, Schiit decides to use a larger chassis for Gadget).

    However, another part of me thinks the answer is yes, for the following reasons:

    The Eitr/Gen 5 USB was a sort of revolutionary product of 2016 that put a lot of more expensive USB modules and DDCs to shame. Some people--myself included--went as far as to sell and re-buy the same Schiit DACs (Bimby, Gumby, Yggy) we owned to get a taste of the Gen 5 USB, while others have separately purchased Gen 5 USB boards. Right now, all Schiit DACs with the exception of Modi are fitted with the Gen 5 USB by default, effecitvely freeing us from USB nervosa (and the need to buy an Eitr). However, introducing a supposedly game-changing re-tuner that many Schiit DAC owners would buy, which accepts USB input but doesn't have the superior Gen 5 USB, would cause our USB nervosa to relapse (since Gadget only has a coaxial output, which would be fed into the DAC and bypass the DAC's Gen 5 USB) and force many of us to buy the Eitr separately just to use it between our computers and Gadget. Sure, this approach could boost the sales of Eitr and might be profitable from Schiit's point of view, but at the same time it would be frustrating to its customers since they are essentially buying another Gen 5 USB converter when it's already built into their DACs just because the re-tuner forces them to bypass the one inside their DACs without offering the same superior USB solution. If Schiit decides not to incorporate Gen 5 USB into Gadget, this marketing approach would invariably piss a lot of people off.

    It would be like:

    "Hey, do you want a Gadget that magically re-tunes and makes everything sound better? It's yours for only $199. Oh, but on one condition only. You'll have to forgo the wonderful Gen 5 USB in your DACs and stick with the crappy one inside the Gadget. Well you can't have everything. Oh wait, if you really want to use the Gen 5 USB which is already in your DACs, you can just buy another one, it's called Eitr and yours for an extra $179. Haha, I'm laughing all the way to the bank."

    I'm sure Schiit, being a respectable company, wouldn't pull such a dick move on its loyal customers.
     
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    History shows that @schiit is perfectly happy to launch better, cheaper products and "cannibalize" its own sales...
     
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    "The USB incorporation is Gen II to keep it under two hun"
     
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    Over on Mike's blog on Headfi he said this:

    I was pleased with the Gadget's reception. The majority of those who listened "got it", even with the loud distractions of the shows' environs. I had an opportunity to speak with several press members, all of who realized that it is a fun device, which of course why we do this hobby. We now have a Gadget up and running at the Schittr, and as a project it is all but ready to put in production.

    Ivana for now is working on the translation of UAC2 audio (USB2) into a microprocessor. This will be a project of some duration. The reason for the moment is not to build a Gen V USB killer, but more for us to have a better low-cost solution. Most DACs which would glue to common USB solutions (XMOS, Cmedia, etc.) are I2S Sigma Delta types, which exhibit relatively high levels of sonic asstivity. Since we have a DSP processor in our entire upgardable line, we can configure much higher quality DACs, an ability which can be realized at the under $200 market when we have the USB running in our own micro. We will no longer be constrained by "audio" DACs.

    In order to fully implement the next versions of the Manhattan, we will need to utilize processors which are much more powerful and less DSP specific. This will be yet another learning curve for us which we will get to as soon as we conquer our proprietary USB interface.​
     
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    And what if including Gen 5 USB into Gadget would bump up the price by $100? That's a 50% increase if it was originally targeted at $199. I think Schiit's initial goal will be to keep the price low and evaluate interest and feedback for this new type of product. Also USB as the only input is very limiting. They might very well include SPDIF input.
     

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