Merv's Politically Incorrect Audio Blog

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  1. purr1n

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    The Kurds have been able to hold out against the armies of both Turkey and Iraq for ages. Natives in Afghanistan have been holding out against modern militaries from two superpowers for decades. The US military couldn't do shit to the populace of Vietnam.

    Likewise, the peaceloving theocratic peoples of Tibet got crushed by their neighbor in days. And Hong Kongers will eventually be borged by Beijing.

    Hearts and minds alone can only resist so far. Hearts and minds and guns can go up against high-tech assassination drones, tanks, aerial gunships, and carpet bombing. History has shown this time and time again.

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    I don't think you understand gun owners. The phallic toy thing you cite is stereotypical of this misunderstanding. Sure there are some, but it's the same thing with cars and audio gear. Many gun owners are into guns for reasons very similar to why people here are into audio gear. They are fun gizmos.

    Personally, I like to know that politicians can't always rest easy in their homes. (I am utterly disgusted by the political machine in my state - I knew long ago that Gavin Newsom would be governor). When people have had enough and decide to burn down the capital buildings in Sacramento, I will be there.

    Or if people lack the guts, turn in their guns, and bend over to accept yet another 12 cent gas hike, I'll move out. This is more likely the case.
     
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    Lol purr1n will be moving to Montana!

    PS I'd rather live in Saudi Arabia than "free Tibet"
     
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    True. I was ignoring many of these obvious examples.

    I would like to believe this. But there are lots of historical examples (insert examples here @Psalmanazar) of the military doing what they are told and killing their fellow citizens. The trick is to "other" the enemy enough.

    This is also what I'm getting at when I say that the "resist the state" reason is more fantasy than reality.

    I would never keep a gun in my house myself, but I've heard from enough gun owners over the years to have an ok understanding of what they value. I was not trying to minimize the hunting, defense, sporting segments of the population. I totally get this and say to each their own. I know the fetishist population is small.

    The difference with audio: in America, we are taught from a very young age to worship guns. Probably with cars also, but to a lesser degree. Not so much with audio.
     
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  4. purr1n

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    Already happening in the most fascist (or socialist - same thing really) of states.

    The issue here really isn't about guns. The argument goes along with universal health care, free tuition, etc.

    It's about creating a better society, freer from suffering. I just don't think this is possible existing as a human being. I say this from a religious point of view. The very definition of being human means that one will suffer. If not from violence or starvation, then from disease, from old age, or from social media induced suicide. Maybe even from lightning or an active shooter attack.

    Buddha was on board with this. So was Jesus Christ. The prostrations throughout the day in Islam are supposed to remind us that we and our problems (even if pancreatic cancer) are so little and petty when it comes to the grand scheme of things.

    It just seems that every time we squeeze so hard to create a more utopian world, we end up becoming less human or we end up creating another problem. Like squeezing one end of a balloon, the other end is only going to bulge.

    I recall a discussion with my mother-in-law regarding health care. She cited a hypothetical case where if I got cancer.

    I'd said that I couldn't afford it, I let myself die. That it wouldn't be unfair for me to burden society and have other taxpayers cough up millions to give me a few more years. She retorted that wouldn't be true if it happened to one of my kids.

    I stayed silent. No doubt she didn't understand my conviction (my willingness to let even my kids die if the cost were too high) and it would be impossible to convince her otherwise. My observation is that people in rich industrialized countries have forgotten what it really means to be a human being. The struggle, the pain, the loss, the hardship, all that is supposed to be normal.

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    If we want to get serious on gun violence: one strike law. Use a gun in any crime = jail forever. No second chance. Of course there will be consequences with such a one strike law.

    California three strikes did wonders, but the other end of the balloon got squeezed: keeping prisoners is expensive, and people who could be rehabilitated never got a second, I mean fourth chance. Three strikes has been relaxed, with a corresponding minor uptick in violent crime.
     
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    I do not see a modern tyrant as a person mastering all the resources of the state to suppress the dissent, I am more interested in examining a realistic situation when individual ownership of guns may play a decisive role. And here it is,
    one of the best definitions of totalitarianism I have ever seen:
    Totalitarian state is less of a problem, what I am afraid of is a totalitarian society acting though ever growing state bureaucracy. But what bureaucrats never ever do is risking their own lives, or even their pension plans.
    Here is where guns in the hands of private citizens willing to defend themselves and their families may play a decisive role.

    Never thought about karma as having both magnitude and directions, that what vector means.
    That's amazing, you cannot get this kind of intellectual and mental jolt on any other audio forum.
     
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    Hey, anarchy works.

    Just look at Italy, our government is so ineffective we've basically done everything ourselves for 40 years and it's not working noticeably worse than most of the world :rolleyes:
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    Yup, applies to nations and peoples. Tendencies, outlooks, and from that likely outcomes. Karma is ultimately take a neutral stance, there's no good or evil. It's really just one action begets another action. Not that complex really.

    Germans have a karma. They are really good at organizing and creating well oiled machines. The fact that they dominate European monetary policy and have developed an export market for automobiles, the higher end models powered by forced induction which requires precision parts - this after having all their big cities reduced to rubble by the Russians and the English in WWII - is an indicator of the magnitude of this German karmic vector. I always make a joke that Germany made a deal with France so they could effectively rule Europe: they allowed the French to keep speaking French and went along with French being the international language of diplomacy thing. Germans don't care. Their pragmatism tells them this: we will just learn another language (in addition to German).

    Look at the Kurds. Their fortunes have waxed and waned throughout history. But being in the middle of it all geographically has made them robust and also quite reliable shit-kickers when push comes to shove. Their Islam is nothing at all like the Wahhabi or Taliban brand of it. It's not so surprising to learn that Saladin was a Kurd. And by historical writings, it would appear that he more closely adhered to a code of chivalry than any of his Crusader counterparts did. Heck, I think even the Shia thought Saladin was a cool dude despite him being a Sunni. This karmic vendor has stood to this day. These are the most reliable dudes you want to ally with if you need to put a fire out in that region.

    China is interesting. They are trying to escape their karmic vector of being fucked with by foreign nations, whether they be Mongolians or Western powers. And they are still trying to annex their neighbors. The problem is that India is too big, and the Vietnamese and Koreans are way better shit-kickers. Tibet doesn't count because went retarded and decided to stay in the stone age because of their theocratic government (how's that for karma, one action begetting another action). Unbeknownst to most Westerners, the Communist party actually did a great deal to unify and centralize control of China in the 20th century. The Mandarin language used across all of China is a fairly recent phenomenon. So in that sense, what the Communists did isn't all that different from the conclusion of the Three Kingdoms era. China karmic vector is to always vacillate up and down, inward and outward. The big question is do they have the strength to keep China in one piece, and set that as its new karmic vector, or will it fall back into effectively separate autonomous regions with little central control. Hopefully this might give perspective on the HK issue.
     
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    The modern progressive (not just in a political sense) mind believes (with a strong religious fervor) in progress and a technological/political/moral "better future". The modern mind believes in utopia of one sort or another, and will pummel you if you dare to question it. Most of us who do - who are not true believers - worry about an Orwellian 1984 sort of utopia. However I think it is rather obvious that what is being pushed (at least in our western "democracies") is a Huxley-ian Brave New World utopia.
     
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    That utopian shit has already been tried. It's not just in books. The difference is that it used to be industrial instead of technological, but really the same difference.

    All the below happened started with the best of intentions. To create an egalitarian world where suffering of the masses would be lessened.

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    The problem is Christianity, Islam, and Buddhism leave open options for violence. All religions do. Humans are Barbarian apes.

    The Crusaders loved the Bible verse where Jesus takes out the sword and says that Caesar may hurt you now but his dad (aka him, maybe) will hurt you forever. The whole last part of the Bible with people crushed in wine presses, lakes of molten glass, and hellfire is holy shit. Much of the First Crusade army wanted to put a Christian king in Jerusalem for the Antichrist to kill so Jesus would come back faster. If Jesus said he would murder the shit out of all the unbelievers then, f**k they were just doing his job for him. Kill them and eat them? Why the hell not?

    The part of the Koran that says it is justifiable homicide to kill someone if they try to burn down a mosque with innocent people inside has been used to justify tons of shit. Let’s not even go there.

    Then you have Buddhism, which you think would be anti violent but most of that granola shit that turns out mostly to be what you think it is: dumb white hippie granola garbage like the dipshit flower child that wrote Zen at War who was mad at the tenets the native worshippers of his own religion followed. Ashoka, Sri Lanka, and the Samurai. Hell yes they’ll gladly kill you to make you stop worshiping devils. It’s for your own karmic benefit. All of those pagodas in Japan full of human trophies taken from Koreans during the Middle Ages. Holy shit.
     
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    Indeed, I recall having conversations with such people back when "Free Tibet" bumper stickers were in vogue: oh those peace loving nice holy people living in Shangri-la.

    I'm thinking yeah right. There's so many things wrong with a theocracy revolving around a reincarnated chosen one, where an entire class of people, not insignificant in numbers, go around being useless holy men (all men), to be fed, clothed and housed by the remainder of the population, because you know, holy men aren't supposed to do anything but beg and live off of others. I've heard first hand accounts of abuse. This kind of bad behavior by men in robes isn't just limited to the Catholic Church.

    What China did was wrong, but the Tibetan rulers did it to themselves.
     
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    The Dalai Lama is a CIA asset who wants his oppressive feudal state back.
     
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    Yes they are, religion or not. And the state is justified to use extreme violence to contain inevitable outbursts of aggression within a society. That does not eliminate the need for guns in self defense, and for protection against oppressive acts of the state.
     
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    LOL. What's sad is that the Tibetans at one point had an empire which included big chunks of what is modern day China. They had their warlord phase with competing schools of Buddhism where the Gelugpa, the "yellow hats", with their Dalai Lama deal, eventually won out. Over time, that went stale, and this is what we have today. The various Tibetan Buddhist schools (and not all are monastic) are still around, and not all them particularly like the Gelugpas, though I'm sure all are in the favor of getting Beijing out of Tibet.

    It will be interesting to see if China can hold on to Tibet. History says otherwise with the Mongols and Chinese (Qing) before the Commies. Sure Beijing is bringing Han Chinese in to intermarry with the locals, attempting to borg them into being Chinese; but probably what will happen is the Han Chinese will become Tibetans - integrating and identifying more with the local cultures than with China.
     
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    This reminds me of one of my favorite TED Talks. ;)

     
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    Strongly disagree. See "War on Terror", "ISIS", Arab Spring, and many other events since everything went stupid after 9/11. Or even American Revolution (hence the 3% badges). Afghanistan is a perfect example. We have every modern machine and many more we don't even know of etc. (classified stuff lets say). They have a few smart guys with a will to fight + money and a bunch of guys with maybe a will to fight, maybe a < grade 5 education / probably still illiterate, no money, no resources, etc. More terrorists than ever today. American Revolution was a small bunch of educated guys in a big backwater with support of about 3% of the population defeating the greatest military force in all of known to man up to that point in time. You could say England was divided in managing it's world empire, but point is, the backwater colonists known still won by resisting.

    That and other reasons mentioned by others here. Which leads me back to my original question - if it's a fantasy to resist with force, how else would you resist. Or would you just keel over (hypothetically)? Also, what if oppression wasn't just a governmental one? Let's say you were a black slave in south America 200-400 years ago (where many more of the slaves met horrible ends than ones in the US) or a white man (or child) in Rhodesia after the collapse of white government but you couldn't leave?

    I would agree with you in the sense that it would be a fantasy for some as many will die if this we did have to use force to resist. That or someone wants to nuke the entire US into oblivion just to say they won... except I can't imagine anyone wanting to be king of gamma ray mountain at that point. Note that I don't say or imply force and small arms is the best or only way to do it, just that it is a way that it has historically happened.


    As someone who has been on the wrong side of the above equation, I felt the same. And I would say the same should apply to 99.99+% of people. The exceptions being certain people that are the glues of a society. In which case it probably wouldn't matter anyways as their people would probably step in to keep things together.

    Completely agree with observation as well although I dare say that even a lot of domestic travel in America and a decent understanding of math would provide enough info to lead one to the same conclusion. Less travel required if going to other countries, especially populous places such as China or India. There are simply too many people in the world for utopia without struggle and pain to be real.

    Yes, but I would still say in all my observation of people that I haven't seen a single society in human history that enjoys oppression. Nor have I see one that hasn't tried to rise up against tyranny (not just a governmental one) eventually.

    Loved it when they were on the giving end... ex: I don't think most Tibetians are happy with their political position today.
     
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    CONCRETE STEPS TO LESSEN THE EFFECTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE.
    TAKE THE CLIMATE CHANGE PLEDGE.
    1. If you live a developed nation, seriously consider killing yourself. People who consume lots of crap (iPhones, cars, headphone amps, etc.) is the cause of greenhouse emissions. It's not cars, it's not factories. It's people who buy and make stuff, a lot of stuff, which takes a lot of energy.
      • While suicide is prohibited under many religions (Catholicism Buddhism, Islam, etc.), killing oneself as an action of truly helping others (as opposed to being in despair) is acceptable.
      • If you do decide to take this path, please do so in moderation. Western nations use ponzi schemes to fund old people's benefits. Not having sufficient population growth, enough young people to pay current old people's benefits, will cause a financial calamity. (It's OK FDR, you could have never predicted possible future ramifications back then).
    2. Have no kids. Again people in rich countries (and shortly, countries developing into rich countries) are the cause of climate change.
      • Short of the above, have only one kid, or at most two, but two is really pushing it.
      • As per above, do so in moderation because of Western nations' ponzi* retirement benefits schemes.
    3. Use public transportation or bike and walk if possible. Alternatively, take a pledge to only buy cars (not lease) and use the purchased vehicle until it dies.
      • Electric cars only have a environmental payback if owned past five or six years. Their batteries require significant energy to manufacture. If you lease your Tesla, you are a being a dick to the environment.
      • Pledge to drive smaller, lighter, more fuel efficient sedans, coupes, or hatchbacks with small motors. A used Prius is a great way to go.
      • Bike to the grocery store with a backpack.
      • Get used to resting in shame if you live in El Lay since only "losers" take the bus among the brown or black people.**
    4. Force your kids to walk or bike to school
      • A one mile walk is reasonable for older elementary school kids. Two miles is reasonable for high school, or make them take the bus.
      • Rest in your parental fears that your kids will be abducted or worse; but the fact is only a generation ago most kids walked or biked to school. And they biked without helmets too.
    5. Give up the consumer version of Christmas
      • What should be a holy day where we reflect upon our potential divinity has morphed into a free-for-all circus of consumerism. We receive lots of crap that we never asked for and don't want. Check out your neighbors' garbage cans or the local Goodwill right after Christmas. Lots of wasted energy making shit that people throw away.
      • Package delivery services work overtime picking up shit, delivering shit, and picking up shit again because we don't want it. This uses a lot of unnecessary energy. Note that trucks are particularly horrible polluters since they do not adhere to stricter consumer vehicle emissions standards.
    6. Do not upgrade your iPhone regularly
      • Commit yourself to using the same smartphone for at least four years. Five if possible. Instead of buying new, buy last year's iPhone from somebody else who upgraded.
      • If your iPhone breaks, force yourself to get it repaired, or punishing yourself with a cheap used Android based Samsung that someone traded in.
      • Electronics manufacturing is nasty nasty on the environment and has high energy costs.
    7. Eat less, resolve to not be fat
      • Eating less is an essential part of a weight loss program (the other being exercise).
      • It's not necessarily less meat or less beef (which requires significant resources to grow), but just less of everything. Less mass means less food / energy needed to sustain that mass.
      • Avoid packaged foodstuffs. Too much energy used in production and refrigeration. Drink tap water, or boil it if you don't trust it.
    8. Lobby to keep developing nations such as China in their place.
      • As the standard of living rises in China, their per capita consumption will rise. Multiply that 1.4 billion people, and that is not good for keeping climate change under control. China is already number one in terms of greenhouse emissions by far, and that gap is only widening as the USA and the EU decrease their greenhouse emissions year by year. The situation is so dire that even if the USA and EU halve their greenhouse emissions, we would still be fucked because of China.
      • People through their governments should implement punitive measures (loss of trade, tariffs, financial sanctions, etc.) toward developing nations if they do not reach certain targets. Things such as Paris Accords should not be given any credibility because non-democratic countries such as China will only give lip service and not actually do anything about it (China is still building coal plants).
      • The downside is to these measures is that they will cause immense suffering to the people in developing nations. We are talking about social instability, financial system failures, maybe even starvation. But as enlightened Westerners, it is our duty to be nicer to the environment than to people who live in poorer conditions.
    9. Pledge to give away 50% of your annual income to your neighbors or home associations to build renewable power sources, e.g. solar panels, windmills, Tesla battery packs, etc. If you truly believe in the dire dangers of climate change, this is the right thing to do, and future generations will thank you. Ensure that part of this income is held in trust to pay for future upgrades and maintenance. And don't forget to give yourself a pat on the back. SBAF will even give you a Golden Shlong award.
    10. Vote for legislation to tax politicians who regularly use climate change associated phrases such as "new normal" for any calamity. The nature of this tax will not be income, but wealth. Each year, 3% of the wealth of these politicians will be taken away and used to pay for green industrial power generation for factories, retail, offices, etc. These politicians will thank you for making them do as they say.
    * Ponzi schemes are illegal for individuals to run, but legal for governments.
    ** Not being racist, but pointing out societal barriers to public transportation adoption by more affluent whites.
     
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    Normally I don't piggy back on people's posts like this as it's usually butt kissing or bad form at best, but after listening to random people complain about similar things all last week, I couldn't resist.

    2. Too many people from these "greatest generations" still working into their 70's to take care of themselves... in a system they devised, set up, etc. and (probably inadvertently) rigged against the world and their posterity. Oops doesn't begin to sum this up. Hail corporate and failing math class!
    5/6. Learn about or work in a mass manufacturing environment for even a few months to see impact first hand. For extra effect, visit a factory or 5 in said developing countries. Cry at night louder than Greta when you think about climate change after said visits.
    7. Guilty, but I have been slowly improving on this.
    8. Errbody moral gestures until they realize their gesturing is useless but why hasn't it stopped yet. One side wants to feel good about their time and preaching, one side is people living in poverty trying to climb out of their hole often goaded by greedy people that would make Warren's campaign targets look tame. Which one will have more will?
    9. I often notice the loudest about these things are often the ones who contribute the least to actual intelligent solutions.
    10. 3% not enough. Frequent scene for American politicians: come from lower middle class families, work at a middle 5 to low 6 figure job for 5-10 years as said politician, retire with millions of dollars net worth. I math gooders! Or maybe 3% is too much: also majority of American politicians - take a ton of bribes and lobbying money, yet average bribe is low to mid 5 figures, don't even retire actually wealthy. Said developing nations and many develop nations joke that US politicians would be given good citizen awards in their nations for this where average bribe is closer to $1-3M or at least middle 6 figures. Hide monies in US and EU housing market for maximum antagonization of local populaces.

    SBAF is smart. Detect where I'm using sarcasm as I'm not as obvious/relieving about it as Purrin.
     
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    Don't forget the #1 largest contributing factor to climate change, far beyond any personal or communal lifestyle choices -

    http://theconversation.com/us-milit...s-shrinking-this-war-machine-is-a-must-119269
    https://www.newsweek.com/us-military-greenhouse-gases-140-countries-1445674
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/06/190620100005.htm
    https://www.livescience.com/65698-defense-department-climate-change.html
    https://www.theguardian.com/sustain...-71-global-emissions-cdp-study-climate-change

    Personal and collective action alone unfortunately only addresses some of the symptoms but not the cause... American capitalism would completely crumble without the military-industrial complex, but that's a topic most people aren't willing to consider.

    Not to mention the planet can't sustain the consumption of the uber-rich and their capital ventures, which is orders of magnitudes beyond the vast majority of normies like the people here (all of which are probably closer to being homeless than being billionaires, despite what bootlickers with stockholm syndrome would have us think).

    The resources and technology for a sustainable and automated global energy system exists, the issue is how it's distributed and 'incentivised' - with the infrastructures in place, coal and oil are simply more profitable. And profit trumps all (including the sustainability of ilfe on the planet once all the billionaires die off or move to Mars), right?

    edit - when 'the market decides', it sure has a weird way of always favoring the 'owning' class of elite whites and literally killing (and exploiting the labor of) every other marginalized group in the process. Weird how that always seems to play out the same way...

    Many climate change deniers won't be around when 2050-60 rolls around. I don't blame them for not caring about the famines, plagues, and floods of the future. I wish an imminent death afforded me that luxury.
     
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    Even if EU and North America did the brave new world thing properly, there's still China. China by itself is enough to wreck the world in terms of climate change.
     

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