Audio Science Review Review

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  1. Josh83

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    Meanwhile, after panning the Maggies, the SCM19, the LS50, the SVS, etc. Amir has found a truly superb speaker, a fact that undoubtedly speaks to his ability to detect the slightest distortions or tonal inconsistencies.
     
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    Edifier is based in China, Magnepan in the US. Just another attack on US manufacturers by the ASR propaganda machine is how I see it.

    Traitorous.
     
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    This is silly.
     
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    Ok.
     
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    I heard some random Maggies a while back. I didn't like them. I believe they were lean for me.

    As I stood up and left the room however (out of the vertical sweet spot), I don't remember them having the worse-than-analog-phone sound (300 Hz to 3.4 kHz, his claim being actually worse: 300 Hz to 1 kHz). Maybe I was still in the +/- 10 degree elevation sweet spot.

    He seems to be enamored with the idea of Klippel's near field to far field stuff. It is no replacement for anechoic and in-room testing.
     
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    Subjective listening with Magnepan LRS...

    Member 1:
    Maybe @amirm can comment about how he listened to these for his subjective evaluation (or maybe he did and I missed it). Two speakers instead of one, as he usually does? Experimentation with placement from front wall? This might clue us in to why he heard no bass in his listening session.
    Amir:
    One speaker was used as always. I explained in the review that I experimented with positioning but did not spend a lifetime on that. I noted in the review that you can mess with them and likely get a different result.
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    A couple of issues there. One is that you need the output from both bass panels because they are asymmetrical (as you observed) and the acoustic dipole equalization is designed to interleave (two segments on one side, three on the other). So the bass response won't be smooth if you listen to only one speaker.

    The other I think is that with one speaker, you'll miss one of the main reasons people love planar line sources, despite their limitations -- the awesome imaging.
    Amir:
    Not really. The imaging is apparent with a single speaker just as well. Try it.

    Testing two speakers will multiply the nightmare of setup with these speakers times two.
     
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    This was pretty funny too:
    https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...y-kit-speaker-review.12086/page-3#post-352270

    Of all the things, he picked on the ZA5.2 with a DIY price tag of $350 (a pair including box from PE). And while it is not a bass monster, it seems to perform pretty well. "Objectively" nothing in the measurements suggests a bright speaker. Maybe he didn't like the fact that you need to purchase the box for $50 from Parts Express?

    Meanwhile, HiVi and Edifier get the happy-to-recommend treatment... *sigh*

    BTW, it is not only Topping. He seems to have a Harman bia$.

    Yup. Noticed.

    Evaluating imaging ... with a single speaker.
     
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    Two takeaways...

    One, Amir concedes that changing the positioning would give a different result. He's not going to mention that nobody uses just one, or necessarily sets it up at all like he did for his test. The core reasoning is that it's just too hard to get right. People will just have to use their imaginations, trying to extrapolate the weird conditions for his tests to normal circumstances for those speakers.

    Two, he believes he can easily localize sounds in a stereo mix with one speaker, which is... an impressive thing for a person to believe.
     
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    WTF! He's so bad at this!

    I might just start reading his reviews to do the opposite of what he says.
     
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    Have him take a driver's test with one eye taped shut.

    Of all the incredulously bad things I've heard so far.... this one just makes me think that the dude is trolling and can't even be arsed to keep up a convincing facade anymore.
     
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    lol wtf

    as a monophile I do like the idea of performing a subjective loudspeaker evaluation with just one channel. it is beneficial to evaluate tonal balance, dispersion characteristics, among other things. however:

    a) not in isolation; 99.9% of people listen in stereo! for your impressions to be relatable, you should try both ways.

    b) not with asymmetric panel speakers; for reasons already stated above. I feel the entire gimmick with these designs is the unique image presentation, when using two speakers aligned properly

    c) not with stereo recordings; at least not those that have not had channels properly summed and/or rely on stereo artifacts as part of the musical aesthetic.
     
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    LOL!!! And not just any Harman...

    Screen Shot 2020-09-21 at 1.59.45 AM.jpg

    2020 RECOMMEND MANIA!!!

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    This needs to be shoved into every nook and cranny of the audio internet as proof he's a complete dumbass.
     
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    Revel speakers were designed with Spinorama, so there's no surprise that they excel at the test.
     
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    Or super dumb or disingenuous AF!.

    Shoving the word "Science" to his site is his camouflage.
     
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    Next thing, he'll tell us that he listens to gear with only one ear. Listening with two ears is complicated and not super fun.
     
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    Why listen to gear when you can rapidly post badly-made graphs (SCIENCE!} with ridiculous conclusions, get more clicks and free junk, and have a cult-like following that worships you and the junk you push? Listening would muddle up the whole operation!
     
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    This calls his sanity into question. If not that, then it shows that his self-delusion knows no limits.
     
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    Not only this, but something else I've noticed is that at the end of every ASR "review" I've seen there is a shameless plug for more money from members. I'm not linking to specific threads as I'd prefer to not drive any more traffic there, but the rationales have included wanted more assets because the stock market crashed, because his dishwasher is broken, or because if people donate money he won't continue sharing his home gardening pictures. I understand that sites need money to operate, and we have had a donation process (and more recently a Patreon process) here at SBAF to ensure operations are smooth and to have money for loaner gear, etc. But I really appreciate @purr1n not making shameless requests for monetary donations at the end of the first post in every new thread he creates.
     
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    I noticed that too. I understand needing money to help run a website, but don't ask me for money to fix your damn dishwasher.
     
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