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  1. YMO

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    If you are running on the newer Apple Silicon chip set (M1 and beyond) then Roon 2.0 supports native Apple Silicon chipsets. This should stop Roon from hogging all of my RAM when it was running on x86 code on my M1 Mac Mini.
     
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    Bummer, Roon want's your Android/Apple device to be able to talk to your core (i.e. ET phone home), even when the music your playing is local to the phone. I have a real border firewall device, somewhat complicated ISP setup, etc. so I am going to have to hack this just to get it to work.

    I assume this is Roon appeasing rights holders...
     
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    Seems great for wanting to listen when mobile, but I wonder how this is going to work for those of us wanting to access Roon from a second location (eg.,Pi2aes setup at the office, a vacation home, etc).
     
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    It doesn't. Arc isn't a Remote, where you select an endpoint, it _is_ the endpoint. You'd have to plug your phone into your USB DAC or whatever to use it that way.
     
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    I did some (very brief) tests. First, my janky double-NAT setup screwed with Roon punching a UPNP hole in the router. That was an artifact of some issues I had with my cable modem a couple months ago. I reset the modem to bridge mode and that fixed that issue. Second, it appears to apply volume leveling by default on the server side. Third, it appears to downmix hi-res audio to 48 kHz on wifi, at least on local wifi (I haven't tested wifi on another network yet). Fourth, it appears to encode audio to 256 kbps Opus over the mobile network.

    There's a setting for volume leveling, so it appears you can turn that off if you want. If you turn off the Automatically pick best quality setting for audio you can then choose what quality to send over wifi and cellular manually. I'll probably leave everything on auto and leave volume leveling on, given I'd most likely be using airpods of some type with this.
     
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    Ah! I did notice the volume was slightly lower than playing the same file with 8player pro.
    Coming from Roon remote, the Roon ARC UI is a bit disturbing because it looks similar, but it's missing a lot of the functionality. I didn't see a way to pick which output device on the phone to use (phone speaker, USB DAC, etc). Luckily, by default it outputs to the USB DAC, which is what I need.
     
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    ARC is useful when I am outside my apartment wanna casually listen to my music collection from Roon either through phone data or saving it on my phone first. You can't UPnP it to another audio setup outside your apartment, but as others said you can use USB on your phone and get it to work. This is useful when I feel like brining out my RU6 Dongle to listen to my Roon collection.

    It's great for people like me, but bad for people who stay inside their bedrooms/houses all day on their overpriced setups.
     
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    Looks like that will be Roon 3.0 aka Roon Everywhere
    I haven't tired Roon Arc but does it allow to run DSP while accessing music on mobile?
     
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    So I guess I stick with Moode at the office... sigh
     
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    I backed up my Roon core running on an Innuos Zen Mini, then updated my Small Green Computer Sonic Transporter and Rendu (HQ Player embedded server and Roon endpoint), then updated Roon to 2.0. So far, so good. I won't have a chance to leave my wolf's den until the weekend, so who knows if ARC works here. I'll report back later.
     
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    If your mobile is Android, that's an Android limitation (grrr). According to iPhone users, it can do lossless for them (at a bandwidth cost).
     
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    Jealous?

    ARC isn't bad for people that don't need it....you know, like these people that you don't like that don't listen to music on the go and instead listen at home on systems more expensive than yours. They just won't use ARC....
     
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    @crenca , if Roon and your phone are meeting on the web via a roon-hosted service, there should not be any issues as both things will be initiating outgoing connections rather than incoming. I would find it hard to believe that roon would want to open ports on your home machine.
     
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    Roon isn’t hosting anything. ARC is connecting to your self hosted Roon so ports do have to be open.
     
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    Ug. No thanks.
     
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    Only one port is open to one host….it is authenticated….it’s not a problem.
     
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    Is it not the case that this would be visible to the WAN?
     
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    Of course. One port is tunneled to one port on one host. That is how port tunneling works. It is an authenticated and encrypted tunnel. Very low risk here…..almost nonexistent.
     
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    This is what I thought. Thanks for your input.
     
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    That is until the 'Roon Arc Exploit' comes out :p

    You know, the software guys that work at Roon probably don't have core competency with internet services (Bob Stuart is their mentor and inspiration after all ;) ). I agree that the risk is relatively low, lower then some other things a typical person does with their network. Still, security through obscurity may well be the saving grace here - Roon is a niche of a niche of a niche...

     
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