Merv's Politically Incorrect Audio Blog

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  1. Thad E Ginathom

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    Oh no the Dilbert thingy.

    Read about it. Then I read more. Awful.

    Recently there was international women's day. One female colleague ask the the male colleagues if they are in touch with their feminine side. Then whether they felt more masculine or feminine.

    Then they turned to me. Well my answer was as follows: "I am just me." (meaning let me do my job and disappear) All this divide and conquer and forcing people to take sides causes too much drama. When fools do not want to study their roots, history and context to figure out the nuances of what works and what does not work, I create distance.

    The people at my workplace know me. I work and I disappear. If I have to work for two or three people, I simply do it and get things done. I hate this avoidable drama. I will survive on coffee and water if I have to, just get the job done.

    I simply moved out of their vicinity and continued my work. Let people f'ing do their work. I already detest my job to the f'ing bone! More mindless fools trying to be popular, oh hell no.

    If people want to be woke and talk to me: lose almost everything, reach the brink of complete collapse and then come back.

    Too many weaklings in these times. I stop here, more music for now.
     
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    If Stanford IT needs a guide that tells them not to use slang phrases in official IT documents, then there is something seriously wrong with Stanford IT to begin with.

    95% of those phrases in that document are inappropriate for official documentation and technical writing... regardless of the political correctness of the phrase.
     
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    It's really not that unusual for large organizations to have language guides like this. You'd be surprised what people think is acceptable for professional documents.
     
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    But is it usual for them to be full of shit? Hmmm... In this day and age: probably.

    Organisations that publish stuff do indeed have style guides. They begin with grammar and usage and may extend into cultural stuff too. It's necessary for consistency.

    Where this kind of publication is concerned, though, especially in an educational institution, There should be more emphasis on the actual issues.

    That's the trouble with "political correctness." It never changes people; it only forces them into using given formulae.
     
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    It's all about the labels, the reality doesn't even matter anymore. It's ridiculous.
     
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    I don't think the point of a list like this is to change people on its own, it's simply to make communication more inclusive and consistent across the organization. It may be part of larger framework of diversity and inclusion at Stanford IT though to address the "actual issues". I don't think we know that one way or the other.
     
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    Well yeah, homophobia will get you fired in some workplaces
     
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    I hope context counted. And I can think of racists and phobics that I would rather have not worked with.

    Here's a thing. I got (mildly) irritated by what-seemed-like-everyone rushing around saying Happy Woman's Day. Like it was Oak tree day, or banana-fudge day. In fact I even vented (mildly) about it here already.

    No. At least according to me, this is not what its for. It trivialises worldwide struggles and activism, some of it life/death stuff. Reduced it to the level of a cup cake. Happy cup-cake day.

    So my guide, if I had to write one, would include stuff like "Before you wish someone Happy Whatever Day, think about what it means. And might mean to them."
     
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    I believe the Stanford guide was meant for more than just official correspondence. It's purpose is exactly as stated: the elimination of harmful language (from their viewpoint and judgement).

    First of all, I would never use terms like "balls to the wall", "guru", or "stupid" in any of my policy documents or presentations to senior management. In place of those specific words, I would use "full effort", "SME", and "unwise" respectively. Jargon or colloquialisms are not appropriate in such writing.

    However in meetings with staff and engineers, I (as well as many others) have used the following terms with impunity:

    Guru, tarball, user, black hat, white paper, grandfathered, red team*, white list, killed it, normal person, user, low man on the totem pole, spaz, crazy, OCD, scrummaster, and asshole.

    On occasion, I will do so in footnotes. So yes, given how sensitive some people are today. See note at end of post.

    There is a difference between exercising good judgement and blindly following the insane, I mean extreme minority of 0.001%,

    Stanford decided to cancel this list because of public ridicule. I applaud efforts at inclusion including affirmative action which many other Asians do not. The point is there are decent efforts, even efforts that push things a bit, and then there is stuff that has totally gone off the deep end making otherwise good people feel that they are walking on eggshells. Heck, now I'm wondering if "go off on the deep end" is somehow harmful to a group?

    --

    P.S. One the tenants of Buddhism is that you are going to be an asshole to somebody no matter what. No one, well no well meaning person wants to be an asshole, but this can never be avoided. The most holy person in the world is gonna be an asshole to somebody.

    *Like capture the flag or cybersecurity exercises, red team and blue team. Red team on offense, blue team on defense. Red team does not refer to indigenous peoples. Maybe we should instead call the offensive team the white team and the defensive team the brown team? After all, this seems acceptable.

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    The document specifically says it’s trying to address language use on websites and in code and that’s it’s not trying to address all informal language. So the context is explicitly about professional documentation

    “The goal of the Elimination of Harmful Language Initiative is to eliminate* many forms of harmful language, including racist, violent, and biased (e.g., disability bias, ethnic bias, ethnic slurs, gender bias, implicit bias, sexual bias) language in Stanford websites and code.

    The purpose of this website is to educate people about the possible impact of the words we use. Language aects dierent people in dierent ways. We are not attempting to assign levels of harm to the terms on this site. We also are not attempting to address all informal uses of language.”
     
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    Doesn't matter. Stanford killed it because realized they would be a laughing stock because of many of the legitimate issues that have been pointed out.

    A technical writing, professional writing, or advanced English class in at a proper college or university (Trump University is not one of them) would have taken care of 99% of it. No need to come up with a naughty words and phrase list. This is just virtue signalling.

    I highly doubt anyone at Stanford IT publishing a website or writing a manual is going to use words like half-breed, Indian-giver, jewed, Geronimo, Karen, ghetto, etc. In fact, I've never seen these words used in technical documentation ever. Or if I did, there was probably something wrong with the writer, who would eventually get fired for stupidity, I mean uncoolness. What's next? Wasian? (My kids refer to themselves as Wasian).

    I'll see stuff like guru, red team, blacklist, scrummaster in my company documentation all the time. Trust me, no one has imagery of native peoples, black people, and slave masters when these words are used. (Although scrummaster makes me think of scrotum). With respect to guru, it's totally fine to use guru to mean SME. I lived close to an ashram and studied under a real Buddhist guru for years. The use of guru for an SME does not "casually negate its original value". In fact, I think the word guru is perfect because an SME is someone we should ask as many questions as possible and learn from, while being respectful of their time. I'd even argue that we use guru instead of SME! (Mainly because most "SMEs" these days are self-proclaimed LinkedIn fucktards loaded with XYZ certifications who often use words like "transformational").

    The problem with people having a problem with "guru" to mean SME is this: orientalism. Oooh, it's mystical! The thing with authentic religious practice is that it isn't mystical. It's very grounded and f'ing hard. The process to becoming a guru at an IT specialty or religious tradition (or even bodybuilding) is the same. This is what modern self help books never say - again, because of orientalism.

    P.S. The Stanford list forgot "welsh", e.g. He welshed on his loan. Def: a white person who reneged on or retracted an earlier promise.

    P.S.S.

    My point: the people who wrote the Stanford EHLI are assholes to me and I am an asshole to them. Now let's figure out how to get along.
     
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    I feel like this is tangentially related to the conversation...
     
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    Quite.

    Guru just means teacher. There is one person who I always call guruji. He taught me Indian percussion. The kids called the teacher "guruji" or westernised it to "Sir" like they'd use in school. I'm not his student any longer, but we're still friends, twenty years later. Still, "Guruji" stuck.

    On an Indian vehicles and driving forum, I often refer to those who taught me the most valuable and remembered lessons, my father being the first, all white British, as my driving gurus. Nobody has complained yet, and I doubt that they ever will, because they know what I mean and would quite likely use the word similarly themselves.

    Part of that document reads like a dictionary. What word should I use to describe a demanding or entitled [white] woman? Oh yeah.. Karen. Thanks.

    By the way, must Karen's be white? Even if the original one was. (iirc, she was more than demanding/entitled: she was a heap of racist shit)
     
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    Karens need neither be white nor even female! Such is their spirit of absolute entitlement that is so profound and Jungian-archetypal that it transcends mere corporeality.
     
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    Oh the irony! That the group of people who have appointed themselves the guardians of non-harm toward other less represented people, subscribe to orientalism.

    CO-WORKER: Ask Marv, he's the SIEM guru around here.

    GUARDIAN: How dare you negate the original value of the word guru! Please refer to Marv as an SME or subject matter expert.

    MARV: <punches Guardian in the face>


    Indeed. My mom is a Karen. Kids and I kind of slowly walk away and pretend we don't know her at times in public.

    ...

    Ding ding ding! Someone noticed. The fact that "white" was stipulated as condition for the definition of "Karen" illustrates the bias of the authors. The authors probably aren't even aware that their document reeks of absolulist self righteousness. I've noticed this tendency to be stronger in Western society, particularly American, I mean United-States-ian.

    The reason I know is because I've been here before when I was much younger at university participating in Asian student organizations. What eventually got to me was the bubble mentality that tried to get us to think that we were disadvantaged somehow because of the yellow color of our skin. At a certain point, I simply stood up and said: What the f**k are you guys talking about. All of us are in top 40 universities. All us are in serious majors, not indian basket weaving (that would be indigenous studies). We aren't super rich, but our parents obviously had money to send us here. Sure we may be unrepresented in politics, upper management, and certain sectors (this was back then); but we most certainly are not disadvantaged in any way! I got up and left, and never looked back.

    I do wonder a few things about the authors:
    • Have they actually done real IT work?
    • Participated in red team / blue team cyber security exercises
    • Been inside the cockpit of a plane (to better understand "balls to the wall"). Sorry, is there a less harmful word for cock pit?
    • Participated in the consecration a stupa under the direction of a guru where rainbows appeared in the sky
    • Entered whitelists or blacklists into firewall policies
    • Dealt with a gray hat hacker who was trying to extort the company for their "discoveries"
    • Acted as a scrum master for an Agile team
    • Used the GIMP image editor on a Linux system
    • Submitted a change control request form
    • Were actually immigrants into the USA
    The fact is, none of these terms are harmful. However, if people want to look for ways to be offended, they always will if they look hard enough.
     
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