Lynx PCIe AES interfaces: AES16 and E22

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  1. TwoEars

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    Not too familiar with Lynx but I've seen this problem twice before with computers and coaxial / toslink. You can try the following:

    1) control panel --> power options --> change plan settings --> change advanced power settings --> processor power management --> set minimum processor state to 100%.

    2) control panel --> sound --> select your device and play around a bit here with the settings. Play with "allow exclusive mode", "default format" and "supported formats" if they are in there. Change some things and see if it helps, try making sure that the format of file is an allowed output format.

    3) If you have Nvidia HDMI sound drivers installed uninstall all of those.

    This may or may not solve your AES problem but it worked quite well in solving some issues I had with popping sounds in Win10 and toslink.
     
  2. perkele

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    Oops, now I've done it and bought the Rednet 3. I'll receive the red fatso during next week. I've been dicking around with IP-related networks for almost decade so it was quite natural plunge to take in some sense. Life is too short for USB.
    My original plan was to ditch the USB purgatory by going Lynx E22 + thunderbolt chassis route. In the end Rudolf the Red Porker ended up being cheaper solution in these parts of the world.

    I might be an idiot as my current chain kinda stinks. At least the source part is getting together. Impressions will follow much later when my setup is worthy of the trials to come.

    Current craptastic chain: Roon (Tidal) OSX -> SBX7 -> SE HD800 (sd modded) & Ether C 1.1.

    Upcoming purchases:
    AMP: I'm feeling adventurous -> Laconic Labs Night Blues should the smuggling process be successful. Crazy value + synergy if Marvey isn't bullshitting everyone.
    DAC: Schiit Gungnir Multibit. Can't afford Yggdrasil.
    HP: Utopia in year 2020 or when some idiot puts them on substantial sale

    Gonna sell Ether and all the crappy dacs in my possession.

    We'll see how this will turn out. Thoughts and laughs are welcome. This hobby makes me insane.

    Maybe Rednet related solutions should have own dedicated thread?
     
  3. Xecuter

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    Dude, I love you. The NVIDIA sound drivers got reinstalled when i got a gtx 1070 a two weeks ago. Ever since then I started having an issue!
    I nearly sent my abyss in for repair! I nearly bought tele ccas! I nearly ordered a Yggdrasil!!!!!

    Thank you!
     
  4. TwoEars

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    Yupp - those HDMI drivers will f**k you up. Don't know what they do but they do something. You owe me an imaginary beer. lol. :D
     
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    x2. Anyone?
     
  6. Cakecake

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    Just wanted to add my 2c in the thread I experienced today.

    I was fortunate enough to listen to @thegunner100 's AES16 -> Yggdrasil -> Jotun, compared to USB.
    Holy crap I wasn't expecting much but I was blown away by the sound difference.

    Some observations (probably echoing what everyone has to say)
    - notes, vocals comes in and out seamlessly and naturally and actually has a volume of their own. USB is either on and off. If you picture it, AES16 is like a rolling hill nice and smooth (organic?) whereas USB is like a NYC skyscrapper. Very rough around the edges, no character to them.
    - Instruments are more layered horizontally and vertically.
    - Is it worth it? In my limited experience; it was almost comparing a D/S dac to a Yggdrasil amount of difference.

    That being said I'll be saving up money for Yggdrasil (Gungnir Multibit?) and AES16 for my next upgrade.
     
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    We could pull this off at @drfindley 's if I brought the Yggdrasil over there since I haven't bought his Gungnir Multibit yet. But it's not exactly what you want to do in the Findley Analog Kingdom. And having heard Gungnir Multibit and Yggdrasil side by side via USB, and having the Yggdrasil + Lynx combo at home myself, I strongly suspect: Gungnir Multibit + Lynx >>> Yggdrasil + USB.
     
  8. Cakecake

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    I agree, having owned Gungnir Multibit in the past I highly doubt Yggdrasil+USB will be better than Gungnir Multibit+AES
     
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    What would be your expectation regarding Lynx+Yggdrasil[AES] vs. Lynx+Transformer+Gungnir Multibit[SPDIF]?
     
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    Yggdrasil vs Gungnir Multibit has been discussed ad nauseam. Refer to those threads for more info. The transformer may have an effect on the sound that hurts the Gungnir Multibit chain further. But I don't know about that either way. What I do know is that a Mutec MC3+USB used to convert AES to SPDIF for Gungnir Multibit sounds better than the transformer, as I have heard both one right after the other. That really should not be too surprising. And what I don't know is: does the transformer hinder the Lynx, does Mutec improve the Lynx, or both?
     
  11. cskippy

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    When looking at these PCIe sound cards, I saw that the E22 has a switch to enable SPDIF out from it's digital outs using the appropriate cable adapter. This might be a good alternative to the AES->transformer->SPDIF Gungnir Multibit.
     
  12. TwoEars

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    In terms of improving audio from Windows computers I also recommend you run this program here: http://www.thesycon.de/dpclat/dpclat.exe

    It's a windows latency checker and if you have latency spikes chances are you're going to have issues no matter what interface you use.

    If you get something like this you have issues and will need to start troubleshoot what causes it:
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    If it looks like this or better all is fine:
    [​IMG]
     
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    This may or may not work. I tried to get SPDIF digital out working by moving the jumpers as per the manual, but I couldn't get data out through SPDIF. And then when I switched back to the AES out without moving the jumpers back to the AES positions, they were still live. I didn't try to figure it out any further.
     
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    I needed to flip dip switch 1 also.
     
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    OK good, if you confirm it works, then that's good for those with non-AES DACs and an advantage of the E22 over the AES version of the card.
     
  16. badf00d

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    Definitely works, but requires the transformer to go to BNC.
     
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    I should be picking up a secondhand Yggdrasil in the next couple of weeks, so I will be able to give Gungnir Multibit + RME vs Yggdrasil + USB a go then. Having seen how significant the difference was between Gungnir Multibit + USB and Gungnir Multibit + RME, I reckon your ranking sounds pretty likely.
     
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    Picked up a digigram vx222e off ebay to give this a shot with my gamma 3. Should be interesting.
     
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    Hoping you guys can help me with this. I installed the AES16e running from windows 7 and using the lynx 1604 cable aes going into Yggdrasil. I'm getting no sound even though Yggdrasil shows source /bit rate lights and foobar plays. What's interesting is that sound works fine if I connect the same cable aes into mutec 3+ and then aes into Yggdrasil. I've uninstalled mutec drivers and that didn't work.

    edit, I'm retarded, left the usb plugged in with the mutec, so not getting sound out of lynx at all
     
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    @Drifterxny

    Sounds weird. Are you sure that the mutec wasn't doing some kind of conversion or that there wasn't a temporary glitch which a power cycle took care of? Anything in the shitty manual about using the AES interface?

    I think @sorrodje here is using AES directly into Yggdrasil without isses.
     

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