USM-2 DIY Speakers (ND91-4 + ND16FA-6)

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  1. Cspirou

    Cspirou They call me Sparky

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    Holes can be imperfect. You usually dont see the edge because the are covered by the driver. Joints are where you need precision
     
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    Yeah. I still think I would have had a much easier time with the Jasper. The Dremel circle guide is dirt cheap, but it does not give you precision. One has to hand adjust it, while the Jasper is fixed and 1/16" accurate. Given the dremel size, it is also not as steady as a full size router. The router is huge relative to the baffles I'm cutting though.

    In the end I cut the circles smaller than I specified, and adjusted the diameter with a set of half round files to get to the targets.

    The joints where cut with the router and those came out relatively fine. I'm a bit worried about one of the holes for mounting the woofer. I had to reduce a bit of MDF to allow the driver to sit and the edge is close to one of the holes. This is due to the driver +/- assembly which is attached to the driver basket and blocks proper seating. Will have to be careful on that corner.

    I will route the edges of the baffle with a half round bit to give it a better look. But we will see. I have to wait a bit for the ports to come. The crossover parts should be here this week.

    Need to relax a bit. Learning about tools and how to best use them.
     
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    BTW guys, any pointers as to how to go about this (on any aspect of the build) are appreciated. Learning as we go here.
     
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    What I've learned about router circle jigs so far...

    I have the Jasper 200J and it's great but kind of a PITA for small holes because the base plate of the router (if you use a full-sized plunge router) covers the pivot pin holes for 4" and smaller circles. Their smaller jig(s) might be a better choice for smaller holes.

    Possibly obvious: cutting small holes on a small speaker baffle with a router circle jig is almost certainly best done before cutting the baffle from whatever larger piece of wood you're cutting it from. IOW working with the circle jig on a larger piece of wood is easier than on a smaller piece of wood.
     
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    Wait @philipmorgan, you said Jasper 200J? I think that's their smaller one. Maybe using the Dremel 4000 + Dremel circle jig was the way to go after all.

    I did a test drive with just using hole drill bits, but the results were worse than with the Dremel, and the freaking bits are expensive (the circular ones).

    EDIT: This is what I used BTW:

    https://www.amazon.com/Dremel-4000-4-Performance-Attachments-Accessories/dp/B00LUU2XFO/

    The tool is on sale @ Lowes for $69 also and it included the circular jig. It covers 1/4" to 7". I had this jig before and used it with my old Dremel 395, but it cracked on me. The holes were scary perfect with the 395 + cracked circle jig, but it took a good 20 to 30 min to cut a stupid 3" hole with the 395 because it just doesn't have the juice. Furthermore, the Dremel jig is cheap and works well, but it is not very high quality and hard to get right. Lot's of test holes before committing. And in the end I cut short to fine tune with a file. Lot's of work.

    Things get much easier with larger surface. I'm thinking larger speakers are easier. Live and learn.
     
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    @ultrabike your cabinets are coming along really nicely. Are these your first ever boxes from scratch? If so, it's impressive that you have taken on a design with rabbet joints and the inset back. I'm sure you'll be very satisfied when you fire them up for the first time.

    I reckon you'll find using the router and jig an absolute dream compared to using the Dremel, especially if you rear mount them and want a clean finish on the outside. Using a large router on small baffles can indeed be a bit tricky. Here are a few things that have worked for me:
    • Make sure the workpiece is secure. If there is any wobble, your cuts can be jagged. Clamping can present a problem when routing small baffles because the clamps get in the way as you swing the router and jig around. If you don't have a means of unobtrusively clamping the sides, one option is to use double sided tape under the baffle. I prefer something more secure, so I use offcuts of the same thickness to hold the baffle in place. These also provide additional support close to the edges. I also use a compass to accurately draw the circle onto the baffle in pencil - it just helps me to spot if I accidentally choose the wrong setting on the jig.

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    • When you've completed the cut, the circular piece of wood holding your pivot pin will be free to move, which could cause you to nudge the whole assembly and gauge the edge of your cut-out. With practice you can just about anticipate this and avoid it. However, to eliminate it altogether I countersink 2 screws into the centre of the cut-out to prevent it moving at all. Just make sure they will not be in the firing line of your cutter - bad! If space is tight you can always bang in a couple of thin nails instead.
    • You may already know this... but make sure you select a router-bit that is appropriate for plunge cutting i.e. a spiral bit or a straight bit which has tips for plunge cuts. Make the cut in manageable increments, taking only 5mm or less in depth with each circle. No point rushing as it will just result in burn marks or a less than stellar cut.
    • As Phillip says, making small cut-outs with the Jasper jig means that the base of the router may cover the top of the pivot holes in the jig, which means the pivot pin can only protrude out of the workpiece as much as the thickness of the jasper jig. This is fine as long as the hole you drill for the pivot pin is nice and snug. That way, you just pre-load the pivot pin into the correct jig hole and then lower it onto the workpiece so it'll only drop in to your drilled hole as much as it needs to. I use a 1/8" or 3.2mm drill bit and (if possible) use a drill guide to ensure a perfect snug hole. Otherwise, it's just a matter of practice. If the hole does end up a bit sloppy you can always wrap a bit of tape around the pin to pack out the hole.
    Anyway, I'm making it sound complicated - it's not. Good luck!
     
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    Curved edges is good practice in general due to diffraction.
     
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    Thanks for all of this @Jeb! I ordered my router jig yesterday and will give it a go.

    Crossover parts are here. Waiting for the port, the connectors, and the screws.
     
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    @ultrabike back in the day we used a ruler hacked into a beam compass to draw the circles and el cheapo $20 special jigsaws to cut speaker holes.
     
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    LOL! @zerodeefex I will get the jigsaw see what I get (probably very soon). I think a good jigsaw is like $70 or $90...

    Just for fun.

    This is indeed my first speaker ever, and wanted to do everything. Just for fun too.
     
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    I used a jigsaw plus a rasp and file for the holes and chamfering I needed. A bit of work but the tools were cheap and it was fine for small holes.
     
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    BTW guys, this is very close to how I cut holes with the Dremel (except I use a 0.75" particle board underneath instead of letting thing free floating):



    If anyone does this, get the large (relatively speaking) 4000 Dremel. Cutting needs juice and small Dremels don't got the juice.

    One can see that the base of a Dremel (which is sort of a mini-router) is not very stable. This affects the finish. I expect awesome sauce results with my big boy 2 1/4 HP deWalt router and Jasper rig that is on it's way.

    The jigsaw, which I will eventually get, may see some action in the future for a few quick and dirty projects in the future.
     
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    Definitely use a circle jig :). It's like 1000x better.

    Actually, I bought a router and returned it earlier this year because my neighbor is so excited to let me use his constantly. I only bought the table saw because I didn't want to walk one house over and work in his garage instead of my own :)
     
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    OK. So here is an updated drawing after using the Jasper jig and my router. Results were far superior than with the Dremel 4000. And I mean far.

    Ditch the Parts-Express 1" x 4" port for this project. The reason is that the port is too thin and will not couple with standard 1" pipe elbows. It's probably sufficient for audio, but in the grand scheme of things, those ports are really crap. So the cut outs have been updated for standard 1" pipe: 1 5/16".

    The tweeter really needs 1 4/16". Much more accuracy is achieved with a full size router, and a calibrated jig (1/4" bit). I used a router bit for this job with straight cuts, not a drill like one. It works great. I did not attempted to route 0.5" holes on one shot. I did it in three passes. Always go clock-wise when doing internal cuts with a router.

    Here are the new drawings:

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    Here are the speakers as the currently stand. Note I routed the port, the woofer area, and the baffle corners:

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    Obviously the woofer is now back mounted. Wife liked that way so I ditched previous baffle that looked like shit. Need to clean up and beautify the boxes next. I actually screwed up the speaker binding post cut outs. I will fill them and redo later. I have all the parts for the crossovers. Will see options to mount and wire that while at the same time beautify-ing the speakers.

    EDIT: One more thing. I used regular wood glue for most of this. I only used Gorilla glue for the ports given they are PVC. Be careful with Gorilla glue since it expands. I also used small triangle corner braces in the front baffle to allow easier drilling for the front baffle screws. 0.5" width is too close for comfort and the screws can crack the MDF. One also needs space to route the edges of the baffle.
     
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    Nice work! I really should redo the boxes on my set, now that I am starting to be ashamed at how little planning I did for mine! Project for the New Year.
     
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    Wow, the baffle looks very good now!
    Would be interesting to see how the slight driver time alignement difference plays out in the crossover, but I doubt it'll matter that much with the slopes. But the back mounting, even with your chamfer is for sure gonna change the FR a bit.
     
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    The chamfering around the woofer is niiiice
     
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    Thanks guys! :)
     

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