The Last Jedi Thread (with Spoilers)

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by ultrabike, Jan 8, 2018.

  1. gepardcv

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    We do have it today. Ahsoka Tano and Asajj Ventress are both current-canon characters with tons of richness and depth; both are grey Force users. They just haven't made it out of TV shows, novels, and comics to the big screen and the mainstream.
     
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    Quite right. 100%

    Jolee Bindo ftw
     
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    That space battle was .. wow


    When I saw it, it was ep6 battle of endor all over again.
    That hyperspace jump at the beginning

    Lol, terrible
     
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    TLJ plays with the idea of Gray Jedi. Rey doesn’t shy away from exploring things that Luke warns her are full of darkness. She and Kylo connect in a space beyond the light/dark dichotomy of Jedi and Sith. And I do think Kylo will redeem himself as Ben in Episode IX and bring balance to the Force, finishing what his grandfather started (as he says in TFA).

    Personally I think Star Wars has remained far more personal and less corporate than, say, the Marvel cinematic universe. Disney obviously wants to make money off the franchise, but they’re generally not doing it in the episode films by being pandering or shallow.
     
  6. ultrabike

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    The new Star Wars isn't either for the fresh and new folk. My kids couldn't care less about it.

    Disney plans to make money out of it. I could be wrong, but given the lack of interests among the kids, I doubt they are going to get as much as they want. It was plain obvious Disney tried. It's just that usually there has to be a decent story for the story to sell, and as a consequence, merchandize.
     
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    Shit man! Totally hit the blind spot for all of us here! Guess Disney missed the mark there.
     
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    @Merrick I think maybe you're giving too much credit to TLJ's writing, reading into it things which I'm not sure are really there. I mean, if you apply the same logic to ESB you could say that it toys with the idea of gray Jedi because Luke went into the cave, or maybe in RoTJ because Vader killed the emperor and is now not fully dark side? I don't know.

    For me someone is only a gray Jedi if they very actively and consciously take that path, like Bindo and Kreia for instance. Rey and Ren awkwardly hanging out does not qualify. Is there preamble for gray Jedi in TLJ? I'm not sure. I can see Rey and Ren teaming up and taking down Snoke (which is probably not dead because they need a villain, or maybe there will be a new random villain) but then who knows what will happen. Light sided love story? Go back to hating each other? Maybe someone who reads the comic books has a better clue of what they're planning but the overall story is a bit of a mess IMHO.

    Look, if you enjoy TFA and TLJ I don't want to take that from you. But they're not for me.
     
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    That’s fine, and I’m not saying anyone has to like or love it.

    I do think though that it’s weird to argue that Disney is trying to make money off of Star Wars as if Lucas wasn’t doing the exact same thing for decades. I can find you cereal boxes with Star Wars characters on them from the prequel era or special edition era. Merchandise is primarily what made Lucasfilm the juggernaut it was.
     
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    Well midichlorians are hated for the same reason the hyperspace bombship is. Kills the in-universe logic and consistency which is at least to me (and I'd argue a lot of others) a big deal. Sequels are especially bad offenders at this. They are fresh, true, nothing is ever fully bad, they are edgy artsy provoking etc., but I'd rather tone it down a bit to conserve the inner structure. You never go full retard. Rhian went full retard.

    One other much smaller example: rebels / resistance whatever they are a voluntary army. So Rose Tico guarding the escape pods... Forcing people to die basically, in a good will based organisation :/

    Rose Tico denying what would be a huge shocker and a great story of sacrifice for Finn..

    These things really grind my gears. I for one really liked Rey being nobody, I've even predicted it. It'd be much nicer if she was Palpatine. Imagine how amazing that'd be. Now a Skywalker is "bad" and a Palpatine is good. That'd be a subverting of expectations.

    Snoke is 100% useless. Unless he's something like Vitiate(Valkorion,Tenebrae, that dude has many names) death god far worse than even nihilus, that'd actually need a balance of light/dark (rey/kylo) to even consider tackling, then it's amazing, would nicely add up to the balanced first jedi drawing etc... It'd also raise the stakes a lot considering at some point Valkorion wanetd to pull a Thanos but kill everything (including plants and microorganisms, all life)

    But probably not.
     
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    This^ that would have been a great moment with Finn going full jihad. Alas.
     
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    The whole problem is that Disney did not consult with me before making these films.
     
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    There's a big difference between making a movie to make a movie and then capitalizing on the merchandising potential vs. making a movie simply for the merchandising potential in the first place.

    That difference is a movie worth watching.
     
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    Love the shot at 2:54
     
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    It's really easy to fix everything. Make it so that Snoke had to be killed by his own apprentice due to some prophecy or whatever reason and that sets him free to devour worlds or whatever. I mean just use a bit of imagination and make it so that the things that broke inner word logic have a huge fallout. Make it so that shrapnel from hyperspace bomb ship destroyed a couple of planets or hyperspace routes and that's why it was a taboo and never done before and probably again. Just keep ineer logic in check. Keep characters within their character unless it's (for) a development. It really isn't that hard.

    Imagine that by the end of the lord of the rings they reveal... Aragorn was Sauron all along! In the last scene he kills Arwen as his eyes glow yellow. All they did was for nothing. The true ring was around his dick all the time. I mean, come on...
     
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    And C3PO, Rey, Kylo, and the rest of the galaxy are about to saved by the sudden appearance of a heavily armored humanoid-like encounter suit with a million arms, like Avalokiteshvara, yielding light sabres of all different colors (rainbow pattern of course since it's 2019).

    Sauron then uses his newfound power to blow away the encounter suit, revealing a Luke CGI'd into his prime at 37. Evidently, Luke doesn't need this power suit. He's evolved beyond what any Jedi before him has accomplished. He's a being of pure energy. Luke with a thought, makes Sauron disappear.

    The tale ends with C3PO and R2D2 in advanced forms, 100,000 years later, telling this story to new generation of advanced humans.

    Wipe and cue end credits.
     
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    These movies have always been about selling plastic toys and making bank. That’s not something that is in any way new or limited to the latest trilogy.
     
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    I still want the Luke Avalokiteshvara encounter suit toy.
     
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    There needs to be more princesses with less clothes, or no clothes at all. That is, SW needs to go through the GoT process.
     
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    Plenty of people criticized Lucas for using Ewoks instead of Wookiees in ROTJ because they thought he made the cute cuddly Ewoks just to be able to sell toys of them.

    There is nothing in the Disney SW films that makes me think they made the movies for the sole purpose of selling merch. If they were doing that, they wouldn’t have made the narrative choices they did, which they knew might not sit well with all the fans.

    Of course Disney wants to sell ancillary merchandise. Star Wars created the self-sustaining ancillary merch industry. But there’s nothing in any of the Disney films or TV shows that indicate to me that merchandising concerns are overriding or replacing storytelling concerns.
     

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