The Last Jedi Thread (with Spoilers)

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  1. Ardacer

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    I'd bed a lot of fans would be very happy.
     
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    Fans may be happy but retconning everything about the last movie (which TLJ didn’t do despite people whining about Snoke and Rey’s parents) would absolutely be spitting in the face of the audience.
     
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    My bet is that it won't be a total retcon, but more like a shift (conveniently dropping unpopular developing storylines, radically altering course a few things, staying away from anything that could be used as ammo by anti-SJW Redditors, adding some fan service, and better utilizing the considerable talents of the Poe and Finn actors).

    Really not too different in extent of what Rian did, but opposite.

    Star Wars is big business. Solo spooked Disney into thinking the franchise might go the direction of Transformers Last Knight, which still did well, but not good enough, and leaving a shit-stain that the otherwise excellent Bumblebee could not quite recover from.

    The fate of hundreds of millions (dollars) is at stake. A ten or twenty percent decline, despite guaranteed hundreds of millions in gross can lead to a big loss - not forgetting recouping the billions Disney already wired to Lucas's bank account.

    Personally, I'd like to see an executive have the balls to say $150MM production and $100MM marketing - no more! And see what the creatives can do with the franchise.
     
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    Unofficial advice to JJ Abrams: Everything @Merrick dislikes, fans like.
     
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    Had to do it:

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    @Merrick:

    At the last Halloween party, @BillOhio was late to choosing the lot of costumes. He wanted Vader, Captain Ozzel, or Rebel Officer Cliff Clavin. However all those were taken, so he had to go as Kylo. As a result, he suffers PTSD and blames Rian Johnson.
     
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    I was dressed as kylo for the force awakens premiere. Wouldn't repeat.
     
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    ColtMrFire Writes better fan fics than you

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    Some people have shitty taste. I don't know how to say that nicely. I've seen the prequels several times trying to like them and I feel like there are better ways to torture oneself.
     
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    Also I always thought SW had way more spiritual/mysticism overtones than political commentary. About the only thing political that seemed there from the beginning was the Empire as Nazis thing. Lucas didn't seem to start talking serious politics with regard to SW until the prequels, since those are way way more politically charged. I think people hate the politics in TLJ because Johnson did a terrible job implementing that stuff... hamfisted and obvious, bludgeoning the audience over the head with themes usually doesn't work very well. Paul Verhoeven was always a master at this... Starship Troopers, RoboCop and Total Recall all manage to be political sci-fi without being nauseating.
     
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    Guys. It's just a movie. @Merrick, I'm only joking. If you like TLJ that's totally fine.
     
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    Haha. I'm not sure that stuff went too deep either... Largely cosmetic and a matter of names:
    • The Force = Chi
    • Yoda= Yoga, Yogi, Yoginia
    • Padme Amidala = Padma Lotus Flower / Amitabha, source of dieties including Chenrezig, whose mantra is Om Mani Padme Hum
    • Dark side = Christian stuff blended with the above.
    • Rian Johnson = impermanence
    • Jedi no-sex and detachment code = Theravedic Buddhism
    • Vader's redemption = Buddhist belief that anybody, no matter how bad, has a chance at any instant to be rehabilitated, like quantum tunnelling.
    • Prime Jedi TLJ = Taoist Yin-Yang
    • Do or do not. There is no try = Asian parents.
    • Force ghost: no fricking idea.
     
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    Done Deal!!!

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    Imagine a remake of last jedi, but everyone is an ewok.
     
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    Solo took one of the coolest film characters of all time, with one of the coolest names, and turned that name in to a knock knock joke. : 'Oh, you're name is Han and you're alone? We'll call you Han Solo' ... Wow... f**k You Opie.

    One of the coolest bits of lore of possibly the coolest film franchise ever? 'How did the Falcon complete the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs thereby proving itself as the fastest hunk of junk in the galaxy?' It took a short cut... f**k You Opie.

    Lando Calrissian is f'ing a robot? f**k You Opie...

    That film is an abomination.

    Damnit.
     
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    TBH I watched Solo and thought that it was an okay flick. The "Solo" bit is pretty horrible but overall, it didn't take itself too seriously, was fun at points, and overall everyone's performance was okay. Don Glover was definitely trying too hard and didn't have Billy Dee Williams's effortless charm, but overall it's solid air travel movie material.

    TLJ takes itself way too seriously and then undercuts the weight with a bunch of jokes. The tonal inconsistency is what bugs me. I also (and I know this makes me sound like a philistine) really, really want to see people fight with lightsabers.
     
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    @Zhanming057 is right: Solo was fine. Marv has already made the point about then not needing to explain the things they tried to explain -- "solo", kessel run, etc. -- but honestly the movie was good other than those points. It was well acted, looked beautiful, and had some memorable, fun sequences.

    I can't wait for Solo 2: the one where they explain what Han was doing between when he leaves with the reward and when he comes back to shoot Darth Vader so Luke can blow up the death star.

    This I don't get. Every SW movie moves between emotional extremes. It's a space opera with comic relief and always has been. If you want tonal consistency, you can watch Ace Ventura or Schindler's List.

    Does the throne room fight not do it for you?
     
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    A big problem for me is that the jokes just don't land - humor has to be well-earned (ESB is a fantastic example, and to a lesser extent Infinity Wars's big comic relief points as well). TLJ hits some pretty serious themes, and then undercut them with humor. To me it feels kind of forced.

    The throne room fight is really well choreographed - I do wish they had a bit more of that. Just my 2 cents though.
     
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    Throne room - easily one of the best scenes in SW. Rare gem.
    (again, Rey should have been decimated, obliterated in every scenario, unless of course there is something working
    through her behind the scenes that we don't know about, other than I'm a girl so I'm invincible
    Luke was much more trained in ep. V, had the skywalker blood, went to fight his father who didn't want to kill him, still had his ass handed to him)
     
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    It's only reflective of society. Kids in the USA have it easy today. I had to program shit to make my Apple ][ work, only had limited funds for music (I thought those people who walked into records stores and bought five albums at a time were either rich or crazy) and had to spend years learning to how play instruments so I was decent.

    Today we have "free" apps on our phones, $.99 songs, and GarageBand. No doubt Rey should have it easier too. I don't think the Mr. Miyagi training styles work today or are even needed.
     
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    I thought I would be turned off by the unraveling of the mysteries behind Han, but it turns out I wasn't. There was an actual story with a beginning, middle, and end. The Han background stuff was presented as incidentals, so it didn't bother me too much. The structure of the story was like the old Westerns with Woody as the John Wayne type and Han as the understudy. The only thing missing was John Wayne, but I guess Woody did a decent Rifleman (Chuck Conners) type.
     

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