RAAL requisite audio SR1a Review: HOLY MOLY! Buy this now!

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  1. gixxerwimp

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    Yes, leading edge correlating with ... something we can hear?

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    I don’t have experience with these burst diagrams. But, as a physicist, I can say something about the general nature of oscillators. I’d say that gap you highlighted is just a matter of formatting the graph. The perceptual “speed” of a headphone would seem to be characterized by acceleration and damping. Amplitude of the first full sine wave is a decent measure of acceleration. The shape of the tail after the sine wave turns off indicates under, over, or critically damped behavior. LCD3 shows the best acceleration. They all show underdamped behavior, but ELEX is the closest to being critically damped.
     
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    That's just dead space (silent passages).

    Hilbert transform might yield a more useful presentation for the progression from silence to a steady-state sine signal. Need time to code. Maybe I will extra the data and send to @ultrabike.
     
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    Kinda flogging a dead horse, but just wanted to explain better what I was asking (as someone with a physics degree, but who's forgotten most of what I've learned).

    I was wondering if the zero point of your x-axis was synced with the leading edge of the burst signal. So then those gaps would indicate a measurable delay in the sound wave created by the diaphragm in response to the leading edge of the burst. And if it was, then the SR1a appeared to have a shorter delay than LCD3 than Elex.

    Apologies for digression into irrelevant minutiae ... this is what I do.
     
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    Even if it did, it would just be a Galilean transformation - the signal lengths are the same.
     
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    X point was not sync'd on the plots. It's largely irrelevant because where the wave starts is a matter of distance between driver and microphone.
     
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    Does signal length matter, though? Think Hilbert would just sample the amplitude envelope over the burst, presumably telling you something similar to the oscillator ringdown post signal termination. The amplitudes do vary by eye, as you mentioned.
     
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    Yes it matters. In the limit that the burst goes to a very short length (a delta function) the “frequency” al la Fourier transform goes to a uniform distribution. The Hilbert transform is the same deal, just using the Cauchy kernel in the integral. But you guys are making this WAY too complicated. You don’t need to do anything other than look at them to get a ranking.
     
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    Understand this; just didn't see this issue with the signals being the same duration if there's enough cycles to estimate the envelope of the impulse-response function. Maybe there aren't (don't do a lot of signal processing), but again, agree about eyeballing.

    Hell, sent it to me, guys. My Mathematica licence is bored :)
     
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    Agreed 100% with @Hands I’ve heard that “resolving of errors” for years about metal, ribbon, ring, and Amt tweeters yet none of them ever sound right with a ton of material. They just will get nasty on material that’s fine on even dry soft domes.

    Metal isn’t even the worst offender most of the time because more popular genres have more focus on drums. Those heavily modified cymbals and snare samples are where the big pain hits. clap and gunshot snare samples will destroy ears on metal drivers. the big mastering guys will add subtle distortion too so that the additional harmonics can be heard on gear and in environments where the fundamentals won’t be heard like cars and ear buds that usually makes pop a wash but sometimes means brings the pain even more so on harsh setups.

    Even a well miced up clean electric guitar amp is a harmonically distorted, resonant mess that colored as hell gear, even some “monitor” speakers that cost thousands, will struggle to replay and the published specs of it won’t tell you anything as some nos dac or CD player from 1995 might come way closer than a Topping. Punk and metal bands who shell out for studio time (the guys with slightly more money than the direct input guitar and samples pack drum guys now) can’t afford people who need them to get to cover that 2000 dollar outboard distortion boxes and 200 dollar plugins. These guys can’t even afford 400 dollar Ibanez, an interface, and the software to diy a lot of the time. They are short on money and time. You wait for weeks to get a hundred bucks outta them because they need pay rent or need to replace a couple mic cables. If your setup can’t painlessly play back cheap and quick productions that sound like summed together, cleanish rough tracks because the band doesn’t have the time, knowledge, money, or will to truly mess them up then you got a problem. Sorry B&W, HD-700/800, and Audeze fazer razors.
     
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    The compression artifacts are in your face because the transducer or amp can’t replay small transients and is shitting the bed. The HD 800 and most speakers and power amps without an always active limiter on them (hello extremely shitty PA electronics and Yamaha HS Line) CAN! Loudness war heavily limited and maximized masters and mixes jsut will either sound small or wall of sound depending on how loud you crank it on truly good gear. It takes something like Californication or Death Magnetic to sound truly bad. Even Iggy’s raw power remaster is mostly a wash despite the clipping.

    Recordings are made mushy with saturating compressors or distortion to provide more perceived vocal and string definition because the midrange is what survives the processing! The my sphere has god awful volume issues and totally shits the bed when pushed to real volumes. Because it can’t even play at anything close to reference levels, it is a distorted piece of crap not worthy of comparison to anything that can. An HD 25 is less distorted.

    Since you’re obviously not listening at anything within the general ballpark of reference levels, your opinion about tolerance is god damn irrelevant. Even the DT 990 middle finger of death is listenable at 50 dB.
     
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    Special thanks to @Thenewerguy009 for the Pass Labs XA25 loan.

    Pictures or it didn't happen. The XA25 is on the right, Crest CA2 on the left. (Aegir in back - not used with SR1a - too soft, not enough power).
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    Will get to the point in regards to the Requisite SR1a:
    1. The XA25 lacks gain and requires the use of an active preamp, even more so if running a phonostage with an MC cart, with a phonostage with a ton of gain. I maxxed out the passive pot to get usable volume.
    2. Otherwise, with a good preamp, the XA25 is a good match for the SR1a. Very resolving, clear mids and highs. Great bass with sense of heft that wasn't there with the Crest CA2. The Crest CA2 has a less bassy more dreamy presentation, not as resolving, but better microdynamics, and more expansive stage. Overall, I prefered the XA25. I wish qualities from both could have been combined, that would be like the Dartzeel NHB-108. From memory, Vidar had the same bass performance as the XA25 and similar presentation, but less resolving.
    3. Note that the SR1a (with its converter box) is actually pretty demanding of power. I've hooked measurement gear to the speaker outputs the other day while playing into the SR1a adapter box. Noted the amp would push at least 1-15W. This is actually very high. For example, a typical Best Buy speaker like a B&W 603 will run a few watts. My big JBLs don't even register a watt at high volume.
    4. Note that XA25 is 25W class A and I believe will run class AB to near 100W with an 8-ohm load. The SR1a is about 7-ohms with a slow rise in impedance as we go up in frequency. The XA25 was definitely up to the task in terms of power (which is different from gain).
    5. XA25 is a space heater. Not only does the chassis get hot, but it also produces a sheer volume of heat. Something to be aware of.
     
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    Show impressions from canjam

    Pretty comfy, weird fi
    Hedd produces more realistic notes due to the timbre and dynamics, they decay faster than the hedd giving it a plastic timbre.
    The tone is a tad dark, less airy sensation than hedd.
    Lower treble is dipped (?)
    The stage is more fleshed out, but the overall presentation is less realistic.
    I can see why estat fans will love this.
    This has a similar presentation, but offers a more normal tone, with a more realistic timbre and greater lower level detail. There is low level detail.
    Less ethereal than estats, and a lot more dynamic heft than those.
    Bass guitars sound a bit anaemic, but the headphones have bass, sort of the midbass bump with subbass roll of trick
    Push back the drums in epitaph, despite staging the different locations well, making a vocal heavy presentation.
    Vocal timbre is quite good on these, just something sounds off(?)

    This was off of vidar with Jotunheim as a pre.
     
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    Even more interested now to hear Jason's direct drive prototype with the SR1a's now. @purr1n - Any plans to get such a Schiit prototype and compare it?

    Also wonder how something like Nelson Pass's Adcom GFA5800 would do with these.
     
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    @purr1n .. Have you tried your old Pioneer M22? I’m not sure, but might be a touch better: I think the gain on that is 23 dB vs. the 20dB of XA25. M22 lacks intense slam but it’s so beautiful in its finesse; better than Pass XA30.8, IMHO. I’d also be curious how you feel about it vs the XA25 in more general terms.
     
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    I doubt the M22 would have enough power considering the wattage output numbers I'm seeing with the SR1a / converter box. The M22 is pure class A to 25-30W. Pass XA25 is class A to 25W (8-ohms), and AB to 80W (1% THD). Either way, 3db more gain just isn't enough.

    As far as the XA25 in more general terms, I have to say that I was disappointed, at least while using my ~100db efficient JBLs. The caveat to this rating is the nominal 4-ohm woofers, but the XA25 is stable to 2-ohms, so this shouldn't be an issue at all. I suspect that the XA25 does its best after the first watt as it sounded good with the SR1a. With the JBL 4698b speakers, the sound was unimpressive in some ways. The mids and highs were articulate, detailed, and clear, moreso as we moved up the spectrum; however, the lows were problematic. Mushy, slow, hazy, veiled, undynamic. Like the worst of MOSFET sound, all the bad stereotypes associated with MOSFET. Overall staging and dynamics (macro and micro) were flat. The XA25 put me to sleep. In other words, the XA25 sounded like the speaker amp equivalent of the Asgard 2, which was headamp that didn't do anything egregiously wrong, but one that I would rather not listen to. I guess this may be a bit of a shocker because of all the glowing press reviews of the XA25, or maybe not. I think if we dig really hard, we start to see mixed reviews from actual people.

    I wish I had some moderate-high efficiency speakers around (92-93db) to try out the XA25. I get the feeling that this range is more suitable for the XA25. Under the first watt, a single Aegir handly wins over the XA25. It could be that I'm not necessarily a MOSFET sound guy unless it's cheap.
     
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    Thanks Marv. Super useful. I have an XA25 coming and will also post my impressions in a week or so. Your criticism of the bass seems consistent with this decent review. I’ll be comparing it to M22 for driving HifiMan planars. There are few other options: Noise floor of the other XA-series amps is too high, and I’m not in the Krell market.
     
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    Did you end up using an active preamp with the XA25 on your speakers, or just the nano patch?
     
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    Nano patch. Volume levels I would say was along the lines of most estat listeners. I like to crank it up a bit more.
     
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    Do you think an active preamp would bring out an improvement to the bottom end?
     

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