The Coronavirus Thread

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  1. DigMe

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    yeah, hardly saw anyone wearing masks at all when I was there in late feb/beginning of March when Covid19 was already hot and heavy in Asia.
     
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    I'd say no less than 50% of that reaction had to do with the mouth it came out of, not the content. Clearly, Cuomo had already felt fucked with so it was never going to land well.
     
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    Just read a CT on 29 yo with covid and multiple er colleagues intubating early 30s. Stay safe guys
     
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    Now I know what people in my neighborhood are doing these days. I drove from Florida to Toronto on Saturday, empty roads, great weather, the best drive ever, pardon moi for digression. Now I am in a mandatory, state enforced 14 days self isolation. The first person I met while unpacking the car was my neighbor who, as I know from her email, had symptoms but tested negative, driving to a liquor store asking if I needed any booze. When I woke up from my first self isolated night my other neighbor called me asking if I needed anything from a liquor store. Then finally I had a chance to test my new RME ADI-2 DAC with Bryston 4BSST2 amp and it works as I hoped it would, more about it in the relevant thread. Then I called my son to go to a liquor store and drop 14 days of supplies at my front door. If we go down, let's go down in style.
     
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  5. purr1n

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    This is exactly why we are fucked. It's all political. Cuomo should have had the courage himself to either quarantine NY or issue travel advisories as the CDC did last night. We have states like Florida and Texas asking those flying in from NY andLouisiana to self-quarantine for 14-days. It's a ridiculous patchwork that needs a national response. Michigan should be on the list too, or at least Wayne and Oakland counties. Maybe even Georgia.

    I sure as f**k don't want my friends who live in NYC to visit California just as much I don't want my parents to visit from Santa Clara county (a coronavirus hotspot) in the Bay Area.
     
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    Went into my local Publix, they have almost everything in stock excect for TP/PT/Wipes. We can make anything we want and still have plenty of leftovers.

    I went to my haircut place yesterday and my local cafe today. Both the owners are having issues trying to pay rent to their corporate landlords. The landlords don't consider the virus situation an excuse to not pay rent on time. For them, it is pay on time or we are going to enforce the rental agreement (suing for damages and eviction).

    My apartment complex emailed everyone stated we can't waive the rent but if your income is decreased due to the virus to contact them for a payment arrangement.

    Part of it is also on the federal level. NY Government under our Federalist system can only do so much If people were smart, NY would shut down everything about a month ago and also have the Federal Government shut down all the airports in NY (which they control).

    It is so funny having two guys from Queens (Cuomo and Trump) going after each other. This is like brining out the dirty laundry that us NYC'ers knew for years into the national spotlight.

    Two smucks going at it. *Jerking off time*
     
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    I'm sure the banks sent the landlords and business owners letters that said they can't waive their monthly loan payments.
     
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    Yup. End of the day people need to get paid. More and more businesses are offering extensions and deferments over this mess. I would as someone who is working for a bank on the front lines of this mess. Woo.
     
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    In NL there is some financial aid to limit the short-term damage because without it many people and businesses that operate on smaller budgets will struggle. Some people and businesses can go bankrupt in less than 3 months.

    Short-term greed will make the effects of this situation much worse for many people.
     
  10. purr1n

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    Downsides of the leveraged economy. Credit makes things boom faster, but the when things go bust, it really hurts. In theory, this is where the government steps in:

    Public servant adds extra 0 at the end of the government's checking account. Everything fixed. I'm not an economist, but the long term effect seems to be perma no or slow growth, a la Japan. EU already began seeing signs of this before the virus hit. One economic hope might be the virus wiping out a ton of old people who are living of government entitlements.
     
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    Nice to know the northern counties won't discriminate with sexism & ageism by giving out anonymous statistical data for a worldwide pandemic.
     
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    I completely agree we need a national response. I’m not looking to Cuomo to lead that.
     
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    Not even sure Trump can. States rights vs. federal power still needs to be answered despite the American Civil War. Interstate commerce clause lends itself to federal power, but that also includes Congress. Can argue either way, but Constitutional Law is ultimately bogus. The Justices just decide upon whatever the f**k they personally believe and then have their clerks write the legal arguments, making sure they don't break with precedent, or if they have to, skirt around it.
     
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    And you do know this with experience with your previous work history and all. I think you did mortgage work in the past. I know this, at my Bank I would not be someone who works in the Front End (Lending, Underwriting, etc.). If this continues then I have a feeling those Credit Analyst are getting chopped. We have hundreds of Credit Analysts just for our Auto-Lending division. When the economy goes south they are normally the first group who get hit with lay offs. No one has money for cars, so why have these Analyst laying around doing nothing.

    @Deep Funk where I live in FL we are a very very pro-business/free market state. The state in general does not like to push too many laws in general that benefit workers because they believe it is worker responsibility to figure out the benefits, not the employer.

    Senator Rick Scott in the US Senate back when he was our FL Gov seriously weaken the state unemployment system where you get about $200+ a week for up to 12 weeks. At the time this was done because the mindset from FL government was "We are not here to help you, there's plenty of jobs go work and get off welfare." This mindset is pretty popular since you have all these conservative voters from NY moving to FL (which is why the GOP no longer have any political strength in NY) who hated how much taxes they are paying into welfare and other social benefits to people (which part of it you can blame Andrew Cuomo father back when he was the NY Governor pushing for these programs). These voters (like my father) do believe that people who are on any government assistance are bums and should starve to death then getting their tax money.
    I been waiting for a market crash like this to see how the FL Government (which is controlled by the GOP) are going to react. So far the answer is not much due to our yearly state budget is already allocated for the year. And recently voters in FL just passed an State Constitution Amendment to make raising any tax harder.

    Last time I check Cuomo is the Gov of New York. I dunno how he can lead a national response. I thought that was the Federal Government job?

    With the 5-4 Conservative majority, I'm leaning on them following precedent and being very 10th Amendment.
     
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    Or rather because of it
     
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    We can say the feds have the power, but who on the federal level would be willing to execute such power? It's tricky. We've already seen the reactions from NY, NJ, and CT from even the suggestion that these states be quarantined. Feelings do matter. Unfortunately, Trump isn't good at feelings. He rather sucks at it.

    The data suggests it's too late anyway. Expect the entire NE to be fucked soon.

    USA is still a young country. I'd give it another 250 years. These things take a long time to settle. Another question is whether its values and legal framework are Judeo-Christian. This isn't necessarily a bad thing - unless one would prefer Sharia.
     
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    Hoarding Psychology 101

    1. In response to a potential supply shortage (real or imagined), people bulk-buy, leading to retail shortage
    2. Supply chain functions as normal (or accelerated), continuing to provide retail supply - BUT
    3. Retailers impose and advertise purchase limits, leading to buyer perception of actual shortage
    4. All buyers purchase items to limit, whether they need them or not
    5. Continuation of retail shortage
    6. :mad:
     
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    I prefer if the legal framework is not Judeo-Christian. I still think those values are on the same level as Sharia. But that's just me.
     
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    Are you talking about him denying that NYC would be put under "Shelter-at-home" or him denying that NYS be put under Quarantine? If NYS was completely closed off to any travel, commercial or otherwise, that would be highly unconstitutional. I'm not saying it wouldn't be a smart decision or even one that would potentially save lives, but I don't think Trump or the Governor can actually do that without it being shot down in court.

    Truth be told, the US is 2-3 months behind on all of their actions towards this virus. We should have had international travel locked down back in January or February.
     
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    I think we've needed a bit/lot more political savvy in all directions. Egos always have to be reckoned with. It's just part of our system and part of the job. Plenty of blame to go around, so please hear that from me if nothing else. There are so many forces and deficits that have conspired to land us where we are. We weren't prepared and the poor testing capacity seduced us into believing that what we can't see must not be there. It completely colluded with our denial. The Cornell doc in JK47's video said in no uncertain terms: The virus is in your community. And I don't take that to mean: Let's act as if in order to have a mechanism to guide our behavior. I take that more literally: It's actually in your community. And so the gesture toward backing off social distancing in select areas of the country, in the time frame it was presented, doesn't make sense. We're still trying to turn the lights on. Nor does, as you rightly point out, a patchwork approach that focuses on containment in individual states. We're too far downstream for that to be adequate and, politically, it's obviously going to provoke defensiveness and discourage cooperation. By the time we got on this, it was Borg-level pervasive, and needs to be treated as such.

    I wish I didn't agree with your NE prediction, as I've got most of my people up there. But I do.
     
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