The Coronavirus Thread

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  1. Thad E Ginathom

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    The best ban is shutting down all the airports.

    People keep saying that Trump did the right thing here. I disagree, he should been more defensive than a simple travel ban IMO.

    Then again, the problems with my statement is that anybody can get around bans if they are smart enough.
     
  3. allegro

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    Here is a fresh, decent article from Ars Technica on why you should be wearing a mask in public. Even the US is grudgingly admitting they were wrong and the CDC issued new guidance yesterday. For a more technical look at the benefits of marks on coronavirus protection you can browse this study. Stay safe.
     
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    Governments, insurance companies, and others have a number called VSL (Value of Statistical Life). It varies a lot however, depending on who is using it. I'm glad it is something I don't have to think much about, but it's hard to ignore the fact it does exist.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_of_life


    Actually they built two hospitals from bare field in tens days each. No matter what you think about the Chinese it's hard to imagine any place else on earth being able to do that. There are a bunch of timelapse videos of construction on Youtube, it is pretty impressive.

     
  5. purr1n

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    He can't. Cuomo didn't like it when Trump suggested NY quarantine. GOP governors didn't like it when he recommended lockdown and some states like Alabama resisted until a few hours ago, while a handful remain open.

    I'm sure Newsome would challenge the Federal government in court if Trump tried to have the Feds control distribution of medical equipment. CA can actually outbud the Federal government.

    Also, not sure DPA covers distribution aspects. Even if it did, it comes down to states rights vs. federal power and compliance of the entities. 3M has already said f**k you to Trump on 100% allocation to only USA on humanitarian groups, sticking with their plan to have a certain percentage of masks go to Canada and Mexico
     
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    Wasn't the European ban soon after?
    I still can't believe people are denying him this. They criticized him as racist for having a travel ban in China for a massive pandemic & a fearmonger when he banned travel from Europe, when the pandemic started spreading over there. I think some are still criticizing him for that.
    All this is on tape, this will be brought back in full force to those who want people to forget that they said it.
     
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    I spent some time with my primary care yesterday and the doctors in her extended network are unanimous in their criticism of how Trump has handled this crisis. Yes, we were both wearing masks and she also wore gloves.

    The lack of ventilators is especially concerning and there really is no excuse. I am of the age with preexisting conditions where if I am admitted there is a good chance I would be put on a do not resuscitate list and just allowed to die.

    So you can be sure I am doing everything I can to avoid contracting COVID-19 until better treatments than hydroxychloroqune and azithromycin are available. It looks like a vaccine is a year out. The sad reality is that before this pandemic is over we will probably all catch it. So the longer you can postpone that the better.
     
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    Just for clarification: The ship hospitals (Comfort in New York and Mercy in LA) were deployed with the intent of treating non-coronavirus patients. (See: https://nypost.com/2020/03/22/navy-...-sent-to-new-york-to-help-battle-coronavirus/)

    "The Comfort will treat non-coronavirus patients, relieving the immense pressure on the city’s hospitals during the mounting crisis."

    The Guardian article, and the many other recent articles in the NY Times and Chicago Tribune, are essentially fake news. Trying to imply that the ship hospital is "refusing to accept New Yorkers suffering with cororavirus."

    As a New Yorker, some observations (I live in Manhattan near a hospital):

    Last two previous weeks, the sound of ambulance sirens was very frequent between the hours of 10am - 4pm. The sirens died down after 8pm, and after 11pm were very infrequent until about 8am the next morning. Recently, over this week, the sirens have become infrequent throughout the day.

    Based on information released by the NYC Health department, as of April 3, 28 deaths reported had no underlying conditions. All other deaths reported had underlying conditions or pending underlying conditions. (The daily data summaries do not breakdown which of the cases being treated in New York are NY residents or foreign residents.)

    Totals deaths being reported as the result of covid-19 in New York, are inline with the daily and annual rates, normally caused by the flu, etc. Is covid-19 really bad of you catch it? Yes, of course. But, the data being released is consistent with previous years of bad flu seasons. The only difference is the reporting. (Be aware, based on CDC guidelines for coding covid related deaths, any death where the disease "caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death is listed as death by covid." Confirmed lab test not required. Additionally, it has now been revealed that the deaths in CT and CA of infants or young people which were originally reported as being caused by covid, have now been rescinded or proven to be flat out lies.)

    In my neighborhood, is it a war-zone "God Help US All" apocalypse? Er, no.

    The field-tent hospital facilities in Central Park were set up to treat non-coronavirus patients.

    The Jacob Javits Center was also meant to treat non-coronavirus patients. But, Cuomo asked the President to allow treatment for coronavirus patients. (See: https://nypost.com/2020/04/03/cuomo-appeals-to-trump-as-javits-center-coronavirus-hospital-opens/)

    The primary location for cases in the NYC area is Queens. Elmhurst Hospital is "Ground-Zero" of the crisis. According to the media. (See: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ins...elmhurst-hospital-york-city/story?id=69804681)

    If you go on twitter, most of the contents of the above article (and the primary article in the NY Times) has pretty much been debunked.

    As a former Queens resident, one thing we all knew for many years, is if you get sick and need hospital care, make sure they don't take you to Elmhurst Hospital. If this hospital is ground-zero in the COVID-19 war-zone that is New York, then it has been so for decades.
     
  9. purr1n

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    Yeah, the Guardian is definitely super fake news. Ross Barkin is a POS who only has bad things to report about America. It makes good news for a large segment of the UK audience.

    There's a hospital ship off the coast of El Lay too. It's supposed to be a CV-19 free zone to treat people who are very sick, but may just die if they get CV-19. CV-19 free zone means it must refuse to treat CV-19 patients.
     
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    Shutting down airports? Sorry, no. UPS, USPS, FedEx and Amazon all rely on air cargo. Don't you still want your Amazon Prime deliveries? I can see restrictions on non-essential personal and business travel though. Most people are already making their own choice not to travel by air or cruise ship.
     
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    And let us not forget the travel ban for Iran. Which was blocked by an activist judge. The first case of the virus in New York was a female traveler from Iran.

    Also, another irony here in NY: Cuomo and deBlasio refuse to admit that the use of single-use plastic bags is absolutely necessary. (See: https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/welcome-back-plastic-bags/)

    Despite the ban as of March 1, which has not yet been officially repealed by these two attention seeking idiots, my local supermarket is still making use of them. And as would be the case in other supermarkets across the city.
     
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    Responses before and after Trump announced China travel ban.

    https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1223727977361338370?s=20
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    https://www.vox.com/2020/1/23/21078325/wuhan-china-coronavirus-travel-ban
    The evidence on travel bans for diseases like coronavirus is clear: They don’t work
    They’re political theater, not good public health policy.


    China hits back at international travel bans as concerns grow coronavirus could damage economy
    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dip...-back-international-travel-bans-concerns-grow


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    In hindsight, the travel bans were too late. When did EU issue a travel ban? March 17, way too late, although some member nations issued their own earlier. If we really want to point fingers and blame, blame the EU before Trump. And what about China's responsibility? They didn't even want any kind of travel ban, even though they had firsthand knowledge of how devastating CV-19 was. China should have been telling everyone in the world, close your borders. But instead they wanted the world to believe that they had everything contained so well that it wouldn't spread anywhere else outside of China. Now China is sending masks to Italy and scoring goodwill points because all of the other EU nations are like every country for itself, like how the states are in the USA.

    I'm 100% ready to turn this thread in political shit show.
     
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    TDS on display.
     
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    I don't hold the travel bans against Trump. I find it doofy to point to the travel bans as a comment that the Whitehouse was taking Corona seriously when Trump was goofing on Corona at a Rally on Feb 28 and left his resorts open until March 20.
     
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    We can argue the politics of this latter. Right now, the best thing is social distancing and stay at home. That’s all we have at the moment. That’s all I’m going to contribute to this thread. Carry on. And everyone please be safe so we can eventually go back to disagreeing about DAC’s and tube vs. solid state. My best to everyone.
     
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    It's just plain incompetence and lack of planning going back decades in the USA. Big part also goes to Americans being too individualist, too unruly, thinking it can't possibly happen to them. And really, much of the EU isn't that much different either, some parts better (Germany akin to CA) and some parts worse (Italy like NY). This is happening not because of one person, or one agency, or whole bunch of persons sitting under a dome. This is happening because collectively as Americans, we are letting it happen.

    That photo of those people on the docks watching the hospital ship come into New York? It's not matter of guys with sticks beating them up and locking them on Rykers for a week. The question is why weren't these people calling out each other for doing stupid stuff? Heck, I think I maybe saw only two or three people wearing masks.

    We can maybe learn from what from Taiwan or South Korea is doing, but the fact is, their methods just wouldn't take in the USA. It's just who we are.
     
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    Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases & foremost expert in the entire country for this, as far back in January was going on TV & telling people the pandemic is not a big deal & we shouldn't be overreacting. He even parroted the China has this under control talking points.

    Everyone was downplaying this until it hit home. Whether through sheer ignorance, financial concerns or just playing politics.
    The few people who were pointing this out were labeled as conspiracy nuts. Youtube made it a policy the past two months that anyone mentions the words Cornoavirus in their videos, outside of their hand picks corporate partners, that they would immediately be demonetized or removed.
     
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    I mean people. I did my message on my phone smoking my pipe tobacco on a nice Florida Saturday. Then again, when people want to get over restrictions/bans they will do it.

    On my neck of the woods in North FL they are restricting more things that you can't do. I think it is for the right direction but of course golf courses and church are except. Traffic at least is light, and that's good enough for me to get my food quickly.

    And I saw @BillOhio posts.....
     
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    I'm not sure which has changed more times now, @winders's tag or @RobS's avatar. Pretty sure the tag was something new just yesterday?

    Poking fun aside (I use bad humour to cope, sorry), I do think that talking about politics as not currently relevant isn't the best use of this thread just now. On my end someone I was covering in an article the other day got sacked for pushing an investigation into the vice president, reason being that he felt that her efforts to help battle SARS-CoV-2 were somehow undermining the government's own efforts (VP is from a party that opposed the president's, yes they don't come part and parcel like they do in the USA).

    https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/new...r-who-wants-leni-probed-president-knows-best/

    It's a weird story that I thought might be interesting for others here. Politicizing things seldom is productive.

    I'll repeat what others have said: stay the f**k home unless you need it, please. People are dying and many are terrified.
     
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