UltraSonic Studios Oblivion Review

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  1. Taverius

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    Going by my own experience, both.

    If nothing else, Veritè has tasteful ZMF bass rise, so combined with the uncanny speed of the drivers any bass weakness gets a big fat spotlight shined on it, and no matter how small it becomes perceptively amplified.

    That's why I prefer the T4 to my no-feedback Af for the Vs.

    There's other reasons, but the slight bass looseness of an nfb Af is the most immediately apparent.
     
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    There're good impressions on head-fi with the Verite -> Oblivion pairing. He has the impedance switch though. I've not heard the Verite so I can't comment but like to point out that there're folks that like the pairing as well.
     
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    Yep.

    Piggy backing on this and what Marv already mentioned; I've just heard better when it comes to Verite's micro and macrodynamics. The Universe lambskin pad rolls off to much at the top so it sounds clear but dark. Swapping to the suede Universe pads helps bump up the treble but even then the micro and macro dynamics still feel flat. The Be2 pads helps further it along but at that point I found it too forward.

    Even with an amp like the Stellaris or Apex Teton you're going to have pairings that sound fine but not great. Being on this forum we all know we're looking for great. The Oblivion is a detailed, fast, and clear amp. With the Auteur, personally, I find it a great pairing. The amp provides the speed, separation, layering, and clarity while the headphone carries the ball the rest of the way.
     
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    FWIW, I rather liked the Oblivion with the Grado RS2e with TTVJ flat pads. Thought that was a good pairing.
     
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    Speaking of Grado, the GH1 w/G cushions (my preference) as well as the GS2000e pair excellent with the Citadel Custom,
     
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    The issue is that there are those with shitty music selections, and then blame the amp, when the Verite is actually very genre specific.
    My comments about it is because although I like the company, I do not accept a headphone above $1k that is so genre specific. Just look at the frequency response of the headphone.
    Same issue with Dan clark Headphones, so people take my opinion as if I have attitude.
    My attitude is of no BS.
    I don't stroke imperfect accomplishments with some golden shlong award.
     
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    I'm quite sure people who own the Verite will be using appropriate genre specific music selections in evaluating gear.
     
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    I don’t own and haven’t heard Oblivion. I did own Verite for a long enough period to say that @Maxx134 is full of it. Verite is an excellent headphone over all genres that I tried.

    I have Af with a tertiary feedback switch and @Taverius is absolutely correct: there is a looseness to the bass in NFB mode. It was too sloppy with Verite in certain genres but welcome with others. Let’s focus the discussion on the Oblivion amp and here I will STFU and pay attention to people who have a modicum of credibility.
     
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    So what do you mean by shitty music....?

    You know what, I give up.
     
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    What @Taverius said. To expand, the Verite has fast transients, a bass lift, and moderate distortion. The Oblivion is not a stellar performer in bass distortion and I would even argue that its transient speed lies more in the highs than in the lows. Hence, the pairing illuminates the worst aspects of the Verite bass performance without highlight its strengths. Personally, I prefer the Verite from amps with tight bass control and fast transients throught. DSHA 3F is one of my favorites with Verite. AF with feedback as well. Heck, even Magni 3+. Ultimately, it's a matter of taste.

    Secondly, as @Phantaminum mentioned, for whatever reason, the Verite's driver was not able to fully exhibit its liveliness and agility when paired with the Oblivion relative to other pairings. Bottom line is that the Verite pairing with the Oblivion sounded relatively murkier and flatter compared to the best pairings.

    Hope that helps.
     
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    He means that if the Oblivious merely sounds decent instead of fantastic with certain gear pairings, then there is something shitty going on. Either your headphones must be shitty, your music must be shitty, your speakers must be shitty, your DAC must be shitty, your cables must be shitty, your hearing must be shitty, your preferences must be shitty. Basically something must be shitty.
     
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    To add, sometimes the synergy which should be there on paper just doesn't play out. Asgard 3 and Utopia comes to mind: while this works from a tonality standpoint, Asgard doesn't play to the Utopia's strengths (transients and dynamics). Ends up being boring.
     
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    I speculate it's because the paper drivers of the Auteur, light paper woofers are usually an easy control on the amplifier, even pure tubes based.

    Also we are forgetting about the high output impedance option of the amplifier, which gives ×2.5 times power on the 300 Ohm loads. It may alleviates the weakness of the nfd design.
     
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    TL;DR - A well made and pretty powerful tube amp that appears to be appropriately priced for its performance and is a great addition to the tube HP amp world. Some potential shielding issues that might impact some.

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    So have now spent some quality time with the Oblivion, using both my reference Verite C Ironwoods and Ether C HPs. Source is JRMC from my PC to Singxer SU1 which feeds the DM Convert 2 and then onto the Schiit Freya before the amp. Here's a pic of my stack with the Oblivion at the bottom:

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    Have been comparing the Oblivion to my reference Cavalli Liquid Gold, matching volumes as best as possible and using a fairly wide range of my go-to testing music (including Beck's Sea Change, Peter Gabriel's Up & OVO, Chieftain's Tears of Stone, Rammstein's Reise, Reise, Rostropovich's Bach Cello Suites, Eiji Oue's Reveries).

    Before I talk about my thoughts on the sound of the Oblivion, I did encounter one issue that was kind of a pain. Specifically, with the Oblivion in my chain I was getting a good amount of RFI – I can hear the local 93.3 FM station when using both my Ether C and the Verite C with the Oblivion, with the HP cable acting like an antennae to something that seems to not be shielded fully in the Oblivion. Have never had this issue on my LAu or any other amp I've tested. The radio interference is only noticeable when there is nothing playing or in very quiet passages (so for some classical pieces it's especially worrisome) but it's definitely there. As you can see from the above picture, my rack is near a window, and moving away from the window might help address this issue, but hefting over 100 lbs of gear (not including the weight of the sand-loaded rack) isn't going to happen. YMMV of course based on your setup, just wanted to make sure this was noted.

    Also want to make clear that putting the Oblivion against the LAu isn't really a fair fight, as this is arguably (one of) Dr. Cavalli's masterpieces and retailed for a few times more than the Oblivion when the LAu was still available. However, it's my reference and I much prefer to compare gear head-to-head versus rely on memory for other amps I've had in the past.

    And wanted to point out that the build quality of the Oblivion is also top notch - this thing is really well put together and heavy. I like the spikes and metal base pucks that are included with the unit. This version also has the fan on the bottom, but I never heard it.

    Verite C LTD:
    Using the VCs the Oblivion sounds good, but it's not as emotionally moving or refined. Specifically there's less weight in the impact of the lower end, the bass notes don't hit with the same authority or have the same level of definition, almost as if the leading edges are a bit rounded off. This can be felt in Rammstein's driving bass lines and kick drums as well as the lower notes of Rostropovich's cello. The mid-range also sounds somewhat hollow and as not as present. For example, Beck's vocals sound a bit recessed on the Oblivion, like there's something between you and the singer. I didn't sense as much of a difference in the higher end frequencies, although there was a slightly lower level of extension. The overall picture is solid, just not as fully coherent as the LAu. The Oblivion's soundstage is also not as expansive, being incrementally narrower and shorter, like being in a smaller room, but I did find it to have good depth. The overall level of detail retrieval was good and had nice sustain, especially in the upper registers.

    Ether C 1.1:
    Given what has been shared online about the VCs not being a great fit with the Oblivion, I pulled out my Ether C's to see if that changed the picture at all. Short answer is that it did. The points mentioned above were not as pronounced with the ECs, although at the same time the EC is not as resolving as the VC. The bass impact still not as physical/textured with the Oblivion with the ECs, but again to a lesser degree. The "hole in the middle” is less prevalent as well, and the soundstage differences are to a lesser degree as well. Overall I enjoyed the Oblivion more through the ECs than the VCs and I could be happy with the Oblivion/EC combo, but I am fortunate to have the LAu and VCs.

    Summary:
    Assuming that the RFI issue could be dealt with, I feel that the Oblivion is a solid addition to the tube amp world at a price point that doesn't seem to have as many great options. While it falls short in a few areas to my reference, it appears to punch right where it should and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend people take a look for a tube HP amp under $2K.

    Note: I didn't have the opportunity to try out the Oblivion as a 2-channel amp, although this unit did have the speaker output terminals and selector switch.
     
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    Thanks for the review!
    About the RFI you were experiencing.
    Was this interference in both channels, or only one? I'm wondering because all signal wires are shielded correctly with one end connected to ground (except for short runs, which are not shielded). Maybe it's one of the tubes that're picking up this. I have taken precautions for this as well but I can do more if necessary. This is the first time I'm hearing about this though.
     
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    It would, wouldn't it? Oh and while we're at it, let's throw in a Feliks Euforia because why not? All out tube battle royale?

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    Well, if we want to talk about impact of first impressions, the Oblivion makes a memorable one. Especially compared to the Euforia, which I called "small and cute," the Oblivion is honkin' huge! This is one of those big boy tube amps that are pretty desktop-unfriendly in terms of real estate. Build quality of all three of these amps feel very good, and if you somehow have a problem with blue of DNA amps, the Oblivion is the typical black.

    I do have a complaint about the setup though. The Oblivion has these pointy feet on it that requires that it sits on these small metal disks unless you really like to put small holes on your audio shelf/desk/wherever you put your gear. And placing the disks are a pain in the proverbial behind; you have to place the disks, and then place the amp on them, hoping like hell you spaced them all out correctly so the spikes go into the small holes in the disk. Obviously, I don't imagine most people move their gear around a lot and this is a "set up once and forget" issue, but come on guys. There has GOT to be an easier way.

    So about the sound through my system (X-Sabre Pro MQA for DAC and various headphones), I have to agree with Marv. I did not hear the clouds part and the angels come down. Its strengths lie in its transient speed in the mids and treble, where it is very zippy and fast. The bass on Oblivion is a bit disappointing in comparison to its mids and treble; it's kind of slow, wooly, and undefined compared to its own mids and treble. On headphones like the Utopia, this made the presentation sound disjointed; it was kind of like if you took the mids and treble of the Utopia, but suddenly gave it Sennheiser HD 6x0 bass. This is also why I did not like the Verite with Oblivion; the Verite's tuning only exacerbated these issues without offering any kind of real upside in compromise.

    This lack of bass definition is also heard in its overall macrodynamic presentation. While the mids and treble have a sense of immediacy and impact in the sounds, the bass does not. It also doesn't seem to do as well producing those small gradations, the small nuances, that makes some music so addicting to listen to. I wouldn't even call it overly polite, because the amp, if anything, is forward in its mids and treble. I just didn't find it emotionally engaging; I got bored listening to MCRX and Thirty Seconds to Mars (you can go ahead and make fun of my taste in music all you want; I'll just tell you to take your fist and shove it up your ass).

    In terms of timbre, the Oblivion sounds pretty good and recognizably like a tube amp. It's not quite as romantic, bloomy, and colored as the Euforia (which is probably a good thing to be honest). Like Euforia, the Oblivion tends to blend the sonic layers more together than something like Starlett, which surgically dissects the layers and separates them while maintaining cohesiveness. This is one of those areas where I feel one is not better than the others; it's a matter of taste.

    Resolve is a step behind the Euforia, which in turn trails Starlett. I don't know if it's because I've become accustomed to the Starlett's resolve, but the Oblivion sounds ever so slightly veiled. Not in the same way as HD 650, where it has this greyness in its background, but it does feel like there's a veil to the sound. I don't get this sense from Euforia or Starlett. In that sense, I can't give the Oblivion the mark of being clear-sounding, but this veil effect is very slight and not always noticeable.

    Onto headphone pairings in alphabetical order:
    • Focal Utopia: I've always felt the Utopia's biggest strengths were in its dynamics and transients it combines speed , impact, and nuance in a tasteful way that is also pretty much class-leading (Borealis is possibly faster). While the Oblivion does showcase its speed in the mids and highs, the lows are mushy and slow to the point where the Utopia now sounds disjointed (as alluded to above). Also, the Oblivion does absolutely nothing for the Utopia's beryllium timbre and might even highlight it. Not recommended.
    • Sennheiser HD 650: I mean this in the Changstar way: not bad. The HD 650 just isn't going to have fast and impactful bass, and neither does the Oblivion, so nothing really changes there. It does help with the mids and treble transients, and does overall reduce the veil effect by a bit. It's just not top-tier, and honestly I'd rather listen to the HD 650 out of ZDT Jr.
    • ZMF Auteur: The best pairing that I had with the Oblivion. Weirdly, this headphone mostly hides the Oblivion's weaknesses, but the Auteur also rounds out and slightly slows the Oblivion's mid and treble transients. Quite good overall and preferable to Euforia with the lambskin pads (the Euforia does better with the suede Auteur pads though).
    • ZMF Verite: Not recommended. Highlights all of the Verite's sins of commission and doesn't do much for the Verite's strengths. Get another amp.

    If this sounds all negative, it's because it is in a way. Out of the three amps, the Oblivion is the one I liked the least. Starlett gets the nod, and while I don't think the Euforia is quite as good as the Starlett, it's charming and engaging in its own unique way. However, the Oblivion is cheaper than the aforementioned two amps, and for its price, it really isn't bad. Especially if you live in Europe, this is an amp that lives in the no man's land of amps for price, but isn't a large ball of turd. However, if you have to import it to the US, just contact @Donald North and get yourself a Starlett.
     

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