Merv's Politically Incorrect Audio Blog

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    Why are you parachuting in here with a web archive of a student newsletter from Johns Hopkins? It would help if you explain your thoughts and tell us why you're posting this.

    FWIW, you can still find the original page with a link to a PDF version of the article and big disclaimer at the top explaining why the article was retracted.
     
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    [​IMG] We spent some time here discussing what is called excess deaths during COVID. The graph comes from the Gov of Canada website and was reproduced by major newspapers, most of them advocating extended lockdowns. But if you actually looked at the graphs you realize that the second wave, that produced extraordinary number of positive test results, did not cause, so far, any excess deaths in Canada. It looks like so called journalists do not understand the data they are using to advance their narratives.
    That obviously varies from country to country, Poland for example that locked down hard and early in March is experiencing huge spike in deaths in Oct, Nov. But in Canada lockdowns are escalating in spite of the fact that gov data does not indicate any increased risk. The latest narrative is to reduce the number of positive cases, because it may overwhelm the system Well, in three largest Toronto hospitals there are 21 cases all together, 11 in ICU. People are still dying in retirement homes because fixing those problem was not a priority for some reasons.


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    I post them because I do not like wearing masks (I quit my job over it) and the isolation policies are killing exponentially more people than the disease.
     
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    Thats a bold claim, with deaths already over 250k. Over 2m dead from "isolation policies"? I doubt that.
     
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    Jeez, what would you do if your boss asked you to do something that is more than a minor annoyance (and an unthinking habit in a few days)? Move to an deserted Island and form your own libertarian utopia!? When you pull up to a red light do you shake your fist at The Man and drive on through it? Rhetorical questions of course.

    My 1st grader has a mask on all day long, but then I guess it's time to cue up some Roger Waters lyrics about walls and cages, meat and puddin...

    edit: @wormcycle hard to believe that Covid is a non-risk in the Canadian population...you folks must be made of different stuff. Your graph link is broken and I would love to see the data.
     
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    I hope I fixed the link, the graph is from Canadian Gov site, reproduced by every major newspaper. Do not have the data behind it. But is starting to be reported that the current wave in Canada does not look in any way as what was happening in March/April. Of course the governments are reacting exactly the same way, killing the same population in retirement homes, and destroying lives of many more.
     
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    I see it now. Looking at the numbers generally available, mortality in Canada for a 'normal' 2020 was going to be about 290,000. 13,000 excess deaths due to Covid for 2020 means an excess mortality of only about 4.4%. You guys are made of sterner stuff! Seriously, makes me wonder about your reporting mechanism(s), or if you society is better at isolation/compliance than America.
     
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    Could it be something as simple as lower population density in Canada (I haven't looked at numbers)?
     
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    Found a new job yet?
     
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    Probably Obesity/Diabetes as major contributing factor.

    Curious why this is barely talked about.
     
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    LOL, a couple of hours after writing this I floated a stop sign, got pulled over, and was handed an $82 ticket by The Man :confused: Go ahead @squishware, rub it in :p
     
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    Selling that Eikon was a good idea after all. ;)
     
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    It (i.e. comorbidity) is talked about rightly some, but more often it's talked about wrongly by the right wing conspiratorialist. To determine the clinical relevancy of things like obesity and diabetes, you have to have good methodology, good data, and time...unless you are a right wing keyboard warrior, in which case you can come to any conclusion that your facebook friends put in your head.
     
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    It took some time to bring the discussion to this level, but once it is done, there is really no reason to continue. Particularly for someone who is not on facebook.
    And I disagree that we do not have a good methodology to deal with the question of comorbidity. Here it is:
    1. We base public policy decisions on the assumption that anyone who died with COVID died of COVID.
    2. We dismiss anyone who is even asking questions about the factor of comorbidity as a right wing facebook conspiracy theorist.

    Of course it takes just a minute to realize that by not taking into account comorbidity, instead using a blanket policies, we actually do increase the risk of dying for the people with comorbidity factors who, potentially, should be better protected than the rest of the population.
     
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    But "we" do. It's clinical medicine 101, taught to every doctor/epidemiologist from their first semester in Med school on. When the attending physician (most likely a pulmonologist) declares a Covid death, they really do know what they are saying. They are not "confused" that this person died of Covid as opposed from something else, say obesity or diabetes or "general organ failure" or any other such thing. They are also not part of a conspiracy driven by governments/insurance companies/The Man to say this when really that happened.

    What is your basic clinical understanding of "comorbidity", and on what basis do you question it or any other basic aspect of clinical medicine? To be frank, I don't believe you understand it at all .

    Except all this is taken into account. Any policy has consequences, and people will die either way. What the libertarian critique wants is there to be another set of consequences. Those who are "better protected" to go on and do what they normally do personally and economically, and those who are not as "protected" to bear the consequences more. The medical, practical, and moral problematics of this philosophy are myriad and yes I do dismiss it. I am thankful that most others do as well, as I don't want to live in such a society. It is right wing, and it is full of conspiratorial thinkers and keyboard commentators talking about things they don't have a clue about.

     
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    Nike Japan ad that is against racism in Japan, and the Japanese don't like the ganjin telling them what to do if going by the comments on the video. Nice.....
     
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    Chrome did not do the "you want to translate" with the comments, so I'm stuck :p What do they say? Also, "ganjin" googles as an historic Buddhist monk but I assume it has another meaning.

    It would be nice if there is some pushback by, well everyone, against this woke capitalism which is nothing less than cultural colonialism dressed up as touchy feely morality...
     
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