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  1. Case

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    I know! Right? I thought I recognized it, but hey, it's been that kind of day, week, year, etc...
     
  2. purr1n

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    I didn't talk about tribal bonds. I spoke of measurements and SINAD. You said we have overblown opposite view.

    I countered that this is not true. That we respect SINAD too, but see it in a more healthy way and understand its limitations.

    Why are you going? You totally ignored my reply, shifted the argument to tribal bonds, then claim yourself as some kind of heroic iconoclast when it's obvious that you are simply hiding your lack of understanding or plain refusal to understand?

    You are no iconoclast if you weasel out like this.
     
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    Being neither American nor a sports person, I thought it was just a weirdly stylized "Q"....
     
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    @MaxBuck You are not an iconoclast. An iconoclast is one who shatters cherished institutions or ideas. Literally, the Latin/Greek root of the word means "breaker of pictures." What you are doing here is not attacking any illusions anyone has. You are either distancing yourself by disdaining the herd mentality of the "tribes" or struggling to get others to accept each other as they are to avoid conflict and "have fun." While you do reject the view of the herds you are really just a cynic who may have found happiness in his own pursuits and really doesn't care about taking down any institution, which is why you choose to eject rather than debate. Which is fine, but if this leather jacket bound rebel is how you see yourself, you should consider that it doesn't match what others are seeing, or at least what I'm seeing.
     
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    Stop acting wise you look silly. You either stupid or naïve or narcissistic AF. Please read the freaking thread before making yourself look like a dork.
     
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    I'm not weaseling out. Just don't think my viewpoints match up well with those of this site's aficionados. And apologies if I misused the word "iconoclast." My vocabulary is pretty good but evidently not errorless. Simply meant I don't "go along to get along." I don't regard that characteristic as heroic in the least; just the way I am, and it's not really something I'm proud of.

    No one likes being called names like "dork" or "narcissist," especially when one has expressed simple disagreement. So I think everyone will be more tranquil if I lurk silently. But I do very much appreciate the knowledge that the site leaders share, and I sincerely wish you all well.
     
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    Thank god the dogs are ok.

    Bollocks. I first encountered Amir when I was a member and regular reader of a truly objective audio site: hydrogenaud.io. Before SBAF even existed.

    Amir turned up. The troll was fed. There were plenty of folk there, at that time, that loved to take on a good troll (maybe I even made small contribution) and it went on for page after page, because Amir never listens and never gives up. When he turned up here, the reaction was more healthy, and amounted to, "Oh, it's you: no thanks."

    This is probably the hundredth time I have posted that I on-line-met Amir long ago, and didn't want to repeat the experience, and why. It is not tribal. It is entirely personal!

    Of course, there is always some birds-of-a-feather reason that people get together, on or offline, and stay together. And why some people join a group and don't stay.

    I wonder if you have read this thread from the start? I wonder if you understand @purr1n's reasons for giving this stuff forum space. We do not need Amir/ASR to be SBAF. For a long while, we tried to avoid even mentioning them. This is a tiny part of the site: a couple of threads. There is so much more.

    Well, thanks! Dissenting voices are much more welcome here than (I am told) they are on ASR. But is it a good idea to jump in on p60 of a thread with the assertion that the basic reason for its existence may not be valid?
     
  8. purr1n

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    I don't expect you to get along. However, you've completely sidestepped my response. I am not talking about viewpoints here. I am talking about the technical understanding of measurements.

    You asserted that we have an overblown opposite view of SINAD to ASR.

    I replied that you are wrong in this belief, that SINAD is the crux, or the beginning of many measurements, including DAC and amp measurements on SBAF. That we use SINAD too, except with a more nuanced understanding, knowing its limits as to human perception, not to use it as a race metric, but as part of many more measurements which help paint a wider canvas.

    Can you explain how this stance is an overblown opposite view of SINAD?

    It's good to have contrarian views. Usually such a stance will lead to really good questions and better understanding. I just thought that because of your stance, you would at least like to get a better understanding of how SINAD is used here. Except you keep ignoring what you asserted and bring up tribal conflicts as a smokescreen.

    Are you saying that you signed up on this site for the sole purpose of stating the obvious because you are a contrarian for the sake of being disagreeable? Wow, that's either pretty shallow or extremely fuckerish. You should get a kayak and go paddling - watch the birds and fish. I do that myself a few times a week.
     
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    That sounds really nice. Thread about this please, preferably with very nice photos ;-)
     
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    Just a tidbit. Don't know if this photo belongs in the Adventures in Texas thread. This photo is misleading because it looks like I am in deep water when I'm not. When I saw this, I was like holy crap, how the heck did they get that big ass yacht through the canals. The canals are super shallow in some spots. So shallow that even a small bay boat can get stuck if you don't know the waters. People have bay boats, skiffs, jet skis, not yachts! These guys navigated that huge boat through the shallow canals. Definitely one good pilot.

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    For context. Location of house intentionally not indicated to preserve privacy of owners.
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    Deleted stupidity.[​IMG]
     
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    I see no way that they could distinguish an account you are trying to create on their site based on a username in a thread on this site.
     
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    It's hard to believe that they would even check. And if they did, user name at least would have to tally. It might be that they consider SBAF members as sufficient a threat to be worth doing that. I'm sure there are a few who have signed up to talk sense make trouble.
     
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    Yes. It is unlikely. I hope they fix the registration so that it gives proper error messages when registration fails for some reason. I will edit my previous message. It was poor taste on my behalf to post something like that based on flimsy speculation.
     
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    It could also be something as innocuous as the confirmation email going to spam folder.
     
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    Nothing in the spam folder either. It's quite weird actually. [​IMG] You can see that I'm logged in because of that "log out" option so it looks like my account exists. I could never properly log in though. This is the screen I got when I registered and this is what I get when I try to log in. There is also that purple "R"for accessing profile (R for Roderick). Oh well...not a big deal. I'm not that eager to become ASR member so I won't try to reach their tech support. Atleast not right now.

    I guess criticizing buggy website could be considered "Audio Science Review Review" even if it's not exactly what this thread is about :)
     
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    Before I leave for good and relieve myself of the insults that you've unfortunately elected to join in, my point is that SBAF doesn't have an opposite view of SINAD from AST; simply that you regard ASR's view of SINAD as "bogus" because Amir measures and reports it for only a single frequency and gain. I don't think his view is "bogus," though I happen to concur that a more holistic viewpoint of SINAD is necessary (multiple frequencies, multiple outputs, multiple gains) and that it's not the only measurement that matters. In that regard I find the discussions on your site as much more informative, though I also find the hostility here toward contrary opinions to be greater and, frankly, more churlish. But that's the ethos of the site, you're likely to disagree, and that's fine; you've done a lot to develop this place to be a very useful place, and whether I personally am comfortable posting stuff here is extremely immaterial. The SBAF community is clearly comfortable with the ethos, and I have no interest in trying to change it.
     
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    Nobody said SINAD is bogus. His use of it as the determinant factor in the quality of a component in regards to music reproduction is.
     
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    I never said bogus. You said that I said that. May have said simplistic, insufficient, etc. Not bogus. However measuring a 4Vrms and 2Vrms in 300-ohms, that's semi-bogus because too high a level. The 0.775Vrms we use a bit too high already. No one has the volume knob set that high.

    ^ And that too.

    Oh, I don't disagree at all. Why would you think that I would disagree? I hate ASR. I wear it on my sleeve. If I got a tattoo, it would be one of Skull Pyrate cutting off Pink Panther's head.

    Think of it as presenting shit directly as opposed to wrapping in brocade. They have the same distain toward me, but they are better at wrapping it. A few of their members even referred to me by my real name in an attempt to dox me. Did the same to Golden Sound on the MQA tussle too. Doxxing or using someone's real name when it's not wanted is something that I won't do nor allow any members to do back to them. Sort of breaks unwritten forum code of conduct. Churlish yes. But we won't resort to bio-weapons in forum wars.
     
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    The Oops! is a customizable message in the forum software. ASR intentionally put it there to cause someone to wonder if it was an error message or not. It the ASRs way - to wrap shit in brocade.

    Your account was flat out rejected. When you sign up, your handle, e-mail, IP, and username go into a moderator queue. Amir has a "Praetorian Guard" that protects him so he can concentrate on his work and avoid new members who may have dissenting views or good questions. Things actually took a turn for the worse after the Golden One MQA incident. People became emboldened, asking him good questions: why do you measure at 4Vrms? His guard deletes these kind of messages so Amir's aura of infallibility can be maintained. His guard now actively patrols threads such as this and formulates shit-lists. You are on their shit-list and your IP has probably been recorded.

    You will have better luck re-registering with a different email via your phone's 4G or 5G which will give you a random IP6 address.
     
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