Schiit Multibit DAC inputs and SQ

Discussion in 'Digital: DACs, USB converters, decrapifiers' started by rott, Dec 30, 2015.

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What is your preferred connection to your Schiit Multibit DAC?

Poll closed Dec 30, 2017.
  1. USB

    22.4%
  2. USB + decrappifier

    29.9%
  3. Coaxial RCA SPDIF

    22.4%
  4. Toslink SPDIF

    16.8%
  5. BNC SPDIF

    11.2%
  6. AES/EBU XLR

    20.6%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. purr1n

    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    Try the PCIe (forgot to include the e) cards. PCI is a shared bus with all sorts of crap floating about, like in the LA River.

    The best USB converters I used were the Berkeley Alpha and Off Ramp 5. The Schiit Gen 3 USB was just as good (really more different). Only the Lynx PCIe solution bettered them. The reason I suggested the Lynx PCIe solutions is because of what you said: your digital madness may never be cured. FWIW, all USB de-fuckifiers or converters I've tried since have not bettered the Berkeley or Off Ramp 5. Different, yes. Better, no.

    The reason for the snarky comments is because we already had a massive series of shitposts on USB decrapifier nervosa not too long ago: http://www.superbestaudiofriends.or...crapifiers-pro-interfaces-and-bears-oh-my.62/

    This thread is rather the sam'o sam'o rehash of the same shit and the timing of your posts is rather unfortunate. Think of the threads on this site as a continuing story or conversation. Best not to jump straight in without understanding the context of discussions of at least the past six weeks.

    The vinyl stuff is an inside joke. It stems from the fact that no one I know with digital ever seems satisfied and they continue to keep f'ing around with their setups. Whereas 9 of 10 people I know who move from digital to vinyl seem to be satisfied, even with modest MM carts, modest phonostages, and used $2k TTs (including arms.) This includes several people, who like you were afraid of vinyl's never quite background. This has always turned out to be a lame excuse with modern TTs and record cleaning. Seriously, I hear more tape noise than vinyl noise on my records.

    My thoughts are as follows:
    1. I understand the audiophile need to f**k and tweak with the sound. If this is your desire, there is nothing better than a TT to do this. You can play with different carts, photostages, phono cables, tweak VTA, VTF, Azimuth, Zenith, etc. A change to any of these will result in equal or greater difference than any change to USB defuckifier device. TT tweaking is much more responsive, predictable, and satisfying than USB de-fuckifier tweaking.
    2. Given that digital still seems rather hopeless in 2016, and so far away from a good vinyl setup, one should at least try to be just happy with their digital setup by realizing its inherent limitations. This means keeping it simple with built-in USB and listening to music, rather than listening to USB de-fuckifiers. The audience here tends to have a more limited budget or prefers to spend its money wisely (USB de-fuckifier chains can add substantially to the cost of a digital front-end). Because of this, the site prefers to discourage USB de-fuckization. At the end of the day, after direct comparisons to other USB chains, USB de-fuckifier chains are usually found to be different rather than better, especially with the Schiit Gen 3 USB. The site admins do not want readers getting the wrong idea. One is better off buying an Yggdrasil and using Gen 3 USB rather than a Gustard DAC with $1200 of USB de-fuckification gear.
    3. As mentioned above, and as you admitted, this digital madness never ends. Seriously, I'm sick of people not listening to music and listening to USB de-fuckifiers. If it's really that bad, move to vinyl where 9 of 10 ten people here who have made the transition are now happy. The ultimate goal of this site is to get people to listen to music, not listen to gear. If you've made a major change or tweak to your gear in the past six months, then you fail.
    4. That being said, I also highly discourage going the route of vinyl for many reasons.
    Results of direct comparisons with other USB or non USB chains are always appreciated as long as good descriptives are provided. This site is about investigation (even with blind, semi-blind, or group tests), not proclamation. It's really not that hard for any Dick, Harry, or Joe to say "PC --> Dong Wang PCI USB Card (w/ Speshal YipPieceShit LPS)--> LH USB Cable --> Doobie Boogie USB to AES3 Converter --> Vampyre Silver Werewolf AES cable --> Yggdrasil = Awesomesauce".
     
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  2. rott

    rott Secretly hates other millenials - Friend

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    As the starter of this perhaps unfortunate thread, I eventually came to the conclusion that for me, dicking around with USB just isn't worth the time, frustration, or money.

    For those who choose to continue down that path, wish you all the best.

    Above all else, just find a point where you're happy to put all the nervosa aside and enjoy the f'ing music!
     
  3. J Seymour

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    Thanks for the explanation. I had an inkling something else was going on.

    I don't constantly tweak. I did nothing to my system for 5 years before getting Yggdrasil. My system changes were planned for when I was done with paying for college. So none of my purchases this past year were quick in coming. But now I was able to do what I planned and pass down my old stuff to my 3 sons. So I do have an extra motivation to do upgrades. The old gear is going towards my favorite cause.

    Marv, this may be heresy to you, but I cannot stand the background noise of vinyl. We all have different tastes in sound, artists, etc. I appreciate the analog quality of vinyl, but it's not for me. We should be able to agree to disagree.

    I was asked to offer more specifics, so after I wrote what I perceived the benefits of the PUC2 were, I thought detailing my system would help give context to the subject. It was not a proclamation of awesomeness.

    Music does come first. I have almost 1000 albums digitized with about 10% hi-res. I play music every day and it always gives me pleasure. Man, the economists are not going to be happy with your advice about system changes.

    Looking forward to more from SBAF.

    Regards, J Seymour
     
  4. Scubadude

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    I was asked to help evaluate some Pi-based kit tonight, comparing the Allo Boss DAC against the Allo DigiOne as SPDIF transport to Modi Multibit, Sys as input switch and Magni 2 into HD600. I preferred the Allo Boss over the DigiOne/Modibit in blind testing. On USB the order was reversed, making me believe USB is the better input in this case (or the DigiOne is a crap transport).

    Edit: found the thread via google ... apologies for necroposting.
     
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    Edit: Ignore me, had a Modi Multibit input problem but sorted it
     
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  6. Grattle

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    Slightly off topic - my apologies. I get a lot of cutouts using the camera connection kit with my MMB and iPhone 6 Plus. I don't have these issues with other dacs. Has anyone else experienced this?

    I'm about to sell my Schiit Stack anyway, but my OCD wants to solve this little riddle anyway.

    (Edited to clarify the chain)
     

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