Comments on Profile Post by ultrabike

  1. brencho
    brencho
    I liked it a lot. Donald Glover is a talented guy. Also isn't it strange to tell someone they can live elsewhere if they're unhappy with, e.g., race relations, police community interactions, etc? Like, afaik, these are pretty legitimate problems that we shouldn't delegitimize, and that was even before trump took office.
    May 9, 2018
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  2. brencho
    brencho
    In other words, should people not voice the problems they see around them? I don't even think this is what you mean,just confused
    May 9, 2018
  3. ultrabike
    ultrabike
    The problems have been there, are there, and will continue to be there. But anger and hate begets anger and hate. Kindness, understanding, and love are the kinds of things that unite and inspire people to do better. The video did not inspire in me those feelings. I get the same old we vs. them feeling .
    May 9, 2018
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  4. ultrabike
    ultrabike
    People are free to voice their concerns. In fact, the video is for international consumption. Something other places in the world would not allow. Hence my comment.
    May 9, 2018
  5. ultrabike
    ultrabike
    Furthermore, the "This is America" set of problems exhibited are not American problems. They are world problems. Human problems.
    May 9, 2018
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  6. BillOhio
    BillOhio
    Why do people think we (Americans) are free to go live anywhere else in the world?
    May 9, 2018
  7. ultrabike
    ultrabike
    Because we can. If things were so bad here one could start a new life in the UK, or South Africa, or Australia. Hell, move to Canada. If you speak other languages, then there are more possibilities. I lived and was born in Mexico, and chose to become an American. Worked hard for it. I know very well it is not perfect here. But I appreciate it.
    May 9, 2018
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  8. BillOhio
    BillOhio
    You don't just up and move to Canada... legally.
    May 9, 2018
  9. brencho
    brencho
    I also think that peace and love are great, but when you have certain groups that are discriminated against, preaching peace and love delegitimize their experiences. It also isn't a sufficient motivation to change the status quo. Nor is this video of course, but I don't think that was it's purpose.
    May 9, 2018
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  10. brencho
    brencho
    Also agree they are world problems. But race relations in America exist within a cultural context and history and even current political climate that differs from those in other countries so they can't be thoght of or perhaps even worked on in the same ways.
    May 9, 2018
  11. brencho
    brencho
    Any case, point is well taken man. Certainly don't want to put words in your mouth and I don't think we necessarily see things drastically differently, just offering my response to the video and your post.
    May 9, 2018
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  12. brencho
    brencho
    May 9, 2018
  13. brencho
    brencho
    Cool ass paper title too "let them eat harmony: [something something]"
    May 9, 2018
  14. ultrabike
    ultrabike
    This: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casta caused Mexico to go through very real unending internal wars. The likes of which I don't think America has seen. It is still a problem today.
    May 9, 2018
  15. ultrabike
    ultrabike
    I know. I'm just arguing. I don't like social injustice. It should be called. But I would much rather see more black engineers, developers, and scientists, than social protesters.
    May 10, 2018
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  16. ultrabike
    ultrabike
    I've seen good black medical doctors and lawyers. A first cousin of my wife is married to black engineer and they are doing great. We visited them a few years ago. I want to see much more of that.
    May 10, 2018
  17. ultrabike
    ultrabike
    Some of my blood suffered great injustice. Some of my blood were the ones inflicting injustice. Some of my blood were neither. Ironically they are all my blood. But I am not them and I can only speak for myself.
    May 10, 2018
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  18. ultrabike
    ultrabike
    Anyhow. Good nite guys :)
    May 10, 2018
  19. Hrodulf
    Hrodulf
    Just had a watch/listen. I very much prefer Kendrick Lamar. Also Lamar's stuff is mixed way better.
    May 10, 2018
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  20. brencho
    brencho
    1) comparing injustices can't be done, and the sociedad de castas obv sux. 2) society with black working professionals and social protesters aren't mutually exclusive or incompatible. 3) if there are fewer minorities practicing law or medicine or engineering, that's a reflection of the societal problem. 4) I'm glad you have friends who are married to black engineers lol 5) I <3 U and I'm just arguing.
    May 10, 2018
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  21. Deep Funk
    Deep Funk
    Agreed. He might not have the voice of an angle Curtis Mayfield or Marvin Gaye had. His style is different. The way he presents existing problems makes you think. People should think more and art can make that happen. Remember Pink Floyd with "Another Brick In The Wall"? The world is changing again...
    May 10, 2018
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  22. Lyander
    Lyander
    Late, but: while I totally agree that these are world problems, America is in a unique position, globally; they're the bleeding edge of pop culture, and given that it's as ethnically and culturally diverse as it is, it's unsurprising that the USA is in the world's eye whenever you hear of hate crimes and the like. Not that it doesn't happen A LOT elsewhere, only that it's more visible in the USA.
    May 10, 2018
  23. Lyander
    Lyander
    As for the This is America video, for one, I'll admit it was shocking to watch, which speaks for Glover's showmanship. The symbolism was so on the nose it was like a suckerpunch, but his performance and the attention to detail is laudable. It was an okay listen I think? Sorry, not my usual genre :))
    May 10, 2018
  24. Skyline
    Skyline
    I adore this video. It's raw, honest, and important.

    Speaking truth to power is never popular, but we're at an inflection point in this country. I hope people are listening.
    May 10, 2018
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  25. JustAnotherRando
    JustAnotherRando
    @Lyer25 I am more of the opinion that this video is more of an American phenomenon. Amongst first world countries it seems to be an outlier when it comes to racial tension and violence.

    When I watched it, I was mainly thankful that it completely didn't strike a nerve with me, because if it did, it would have been a disturbing reflection on the places I've lived in.
    May 10, 2018
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  26. ultrabike
    ultrabike
    I'll have to move this to a thread. I know it's somewhat politics. But it's a music video. And like all music, things will always strike a nerve or resonate. It's part of music.
    May 10, 2018
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