@crenca I don't know what it is about them but I actually felt a bit queasy listening to the '22 versions. I do appreciate how they have more coherent staging as opposed to keeping near everything panned to either side, but there's just something about them that reminds me of the feeling I get using ANC headphones (not a pleasant sensation). Also noted when I moved to IEMs: much more bass than expected.
I tried them again just now. The '09 was fine, but I felt pressure behind my eyes with the '22 again. I was on the MMB2>Piety>HD600 chain yesterday but I swapped to the Magni Unity as an AIO today to make sure it wasn't the more aggro presentation of the other chain.
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