Ageism in Audiophilia

Discussion in 'The Meeting Place' started by willc, Jul 25, 2022.

  1. YMO

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    I kind of understood the first post of willc-- ETA seems to attract a younger crowd in addition to an older crowd. It was cringely worded but I understood the point being made and the rest of the impressions were useful, which is why I rated it "epic".

    But the second reply to azimuth was frankly just plain rude, insulting, and extremely immature. TBH I feel like if it was a rando they would have been banned already. I don't like this narrative of normalizing rude behavior as "kids these days"-- that just shouldn't be tolerated here, no matter the age.

    Also want to make the point that I feel Gen-Z people would be insulted to be characterized as talking like this. I'm part of several illustrator communities where the majority is Gen-Z or younger and _no-one_ I've met talks like this. Technically I'm also Gen-Z and I nor any of my friends ever talk like this (the rare people in real life who do talk like this are just plain assholes/bullies who don't respect others, and I try to avoid them). It's just unfair and insulting to characterize an entire generation/young people in general like this.
     
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    As a 30-something “old” Millennial who teaches Zoomers, a couple random thoughts on this, which may seem contradictory, but to me aren’t:
    • I went to nine years of Catholic school during the ‘80s and ‘90s, so I don’t really like jokes about pedophilia.
    • I teach teenagers, and I’ve see the effects of such abuse, so I don’t really like jokes about pedophilia.
    • I teach teenagers, so I understand that they make “pedo” comments to reference people who are making them feel uncomfortable. They mean no offense to victims of abuse by using the term.
    • When younger people indicate that an adult is being creepy, you should take it seriously. Even if the adult isn’t doing anything wrong, per se, it’s best for the adult to rethink their behavior.
    • Older men are often very creepy to teenage girls. Very. That’s not cool, and it needs to be called out by other men.
    • We need more young people in this hobby and more women in this hobby, so focusing on the particularly terminology (“pedo”) rather than the underlying sentiment (being creepy and/or unwelcoming) is likely counterproductive.
    • It’s okay to say you’re taking their concern seriously and address the bad behavior of the person they’re talking about while simultaneously advising them that using the term “pedo” isn’t always the best idea.
    • Finally, I can’t not post this.
     
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    Yes, I do have kids (if you cared to know anything about me), and yes, they make fun of my age all the time. Read my post…call me “grandpa”, I have gray hair on my head and in my beard, I don’t give AF. My kids don’t joke about me or anyone else being a serious sex offender though.

    Note: I never said one thing back to anyone in any sort of offensive way.

    And yes, just like it is super unacceptable for you or anyone to be called “little Asian man”, in the same way should not be accepted for anyone to called or referred to as a “pedo” or “slut” or “virgin”. And besides, those things go beyond age or race. It’s immature behavior.

    This forum should remain neutral and respectful of each other. I guess you feel different and we should accept bad behavior because that is our inherent nature. Well…I’m not buying it and I will call it out when I see it.
     
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    There are times when brushing it off and moving on is the best approach.

    As a little asian man with a small penis, I'd never get anything done if I didn't.
     
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    I’m not even worked up about what the joke is about, mostly that it’s just noise. Old-timer/Gen Z/Millennial-who cares. It’s not amusing enough to stay among the impressions.

    Glad the meet thread has been cleaned up and is back to mostly signal.
     
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    Look...I brushed it off. It does not mean that kind of stuff goes unnoticed. I wanted to call it out and it looks like there are others here that feel the same. I'm glad I did. Now my old fat-ass needs to get back to work after my week long vacation to Chicago.

    PS - Congrats on a successful Texas meet. I wish I could have been there myself. I would say it was beyond everyone's expectations and I appreciate what you do for the community.
     
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    Thursday (setup day), I popped into the Schiit meet and greet room for some refreshment and I overheard part of a conversation between said "old person" and Denise (her and Marv were coordinating the whole show). Talk about your conflict of cultures. Old school authoritarian Audiophiledom vs. today's splintered and "information" market reality (represented by Schiit and most others at this show). I definitely get younger folks being "creeped out" by such a person though I had a pleasant conversation with his wife waiting for the elevator, and I suspect she is not that pleasant of a person in truth ;)

    I made a point of inviting the wives and girlfriends to sit down and listen when they came into my room, saying something like "I know the obsession and prices are insane, but check out what your husband/boyfriend/father hears...". Hopefully I did not come across as too pedo :p:D
     
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    WTF is this Gen Z anyway?

    And is it Gen-Zee or Gen-Zed?

    Or maybe, Zen Jed?
     
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    You may be an old dude, but you came to our breakfast table to introduce yourself to my wife, kids, and me like a gentlemen.
     
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    My only question I have is did @crenca and @penguins were in boomerville talking about 10 khz hearing and girth of tubes?
     
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    Thank you. That means a lot to me. More than you think. We should talk sometime. You have to understand that people hit me up on audio and life advice 24/7. I want to, but I can't get to know everyone that quickly.

    Next time, just press dislike or report. A lot of stuff happens behind the scenes. More than most people know. More than people who think they know know.
     
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    I only have one question. Why do zoomers get a skinfade on the sides, but then a perm on top. No hate on zoomers, there were other fads in hair when I was 16, but...its like the 80s meets the (20)20's

    One thing I find kinda weird is some of the audio groups I follow on facebook sometimes have weird posts of scantily clad women with stereo equipment and the comments are always gross. I mean, I get it, but it might not be the most welcoming thing to women interested in the hobby and if I want to see scantily clad women there are....a host of other better options on the internet. The comments are always old dudes. Maybe its just how society has changed over the years and they are a product of a different era. I'm really not sure, and I suppose that brings up a huge discussion about society and its overall dynamics which is probably better discussed by people who know a lot more than me.
     
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    I tell zoomers, including my own kids, they are the generation of disrespectful assholes. It's their method of communication, texts, group texts, Discord, etc. Basically the worst forms of human communication possible. But not really if you get it and know the meaning behind their choice of words. However much the PC Police tries with what words are proper and not proper, all it's done is drive it underground to less public channels.

    Silent generation, boomers, Gen X, millennials, and disrespectful asshole generation.

    I've never cared about words. It's the meaning I care about, and even then it's more subtle than that. Part of could be that I'm bilingual, almost trilingual. English at times is too precise and modern Americans get weighed down by connotations behind the precise meanings.
     
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    Zee is a measure of impudence, isn't it?


    /old-guy's-joke
     
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    Do you think that my pants are too tight?
    Do you think that I'm creepy?




    It was always thus. It will always be thus.

    (And why this should be age-restricted, I haven't a clue. Some sort of youthful weird sensitivity?)
     
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    I don't even know many of the age "descriptors" but I'm a mid 40s cave man. My girlfriend is from California so I'm nicer now instead of being "my cahhhsin frahhm bahhhstun".
     

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