Analysis of Head-FI HQ's Sony MDR-Z1R Measurements and Tech Talk

Discussion in 'Measurement Techniques Discussion' started by purr1n, Jun 19, 2017.

  1. purr1n

    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    Saying the culture here is better is giving us way too much credit. It's different.

    On HF, you felt that you were always walking on eggshells. Always expecting someone to rage on you because you didn't like his fancy belt buckle or tricked out Honda Civic. You were even afraid to point out that those modifications to the Honda Civic might even be dangerous. Or that someone would come out of left field with a baseball bat and beat you down with 2 + 2 = 5.

    On SBAF, you were afraid (or should be afraid) of getting digitally tarred-and-feathered for sounding like a dimwit or saying something that the patrons in the bar don't find acceptable.
     
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    Nah yo!!!:rolleyes::), I disagree, but not whole-heartedly and totally get your point (dope analogy and true). Also how can you define better? It's a matter of preference. BUT even if one never posts here, engages in discussion, or agrees with the impressions I personally feel it's like this (in a gross generalization):

    1. You have two cultures about one hobby:
    A. Doesn't care if people buy products that are jacked up in price and ruins the value of the hobby; in fact it promotes it at every opportunity.
    B. Does care about the hobby, does care if prices don't match performance and will call it out.

    2. You have two cultures and their respective perspectives about checks and balances.
    A. None, "oh he doesn't like it...its his system or something"
    B. Some accountability. "oh he likes it or doesn't like it...here is why" and how does it measure up compared to other impressions before it.

    Which one is better for the hobby? Afterall, it's mostly just the internet (not saying we don't make life long in the hobby) and our real lives are at home, family we see, friends we see (relationships not hinged on the hobby), and work.
     
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  3. Mshenay

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    Both are good points, I've always accepted that anything posted here is under scrutiny, there's no hidden agenda on SBAF. EVERY one is very straight forward, including the mods. Again the first thread I posted on had a few people asking for me to be banned lol, I can't remember who and I don't really care. The point is SBAF is very straight forward, and it's almost always been that way.

    On HF, it's the opposite. No one has the grounds or the chutzpah to speak your mind openly. You'd just get a nasty PM or a mod would delete the posts? I also don't think HF has a "dislike" option. The difference in culture between the two sites boils down to honesty. You can't be 100% frank and honest on Head Fi, here you can. HF has it's "secret" police that moderates the forums. But here it feels more like we moderate each other

    So some one else posted something about the "target curves" is there a data base with all of them and links to articles explaining why each curve is shaped the way it is?
     
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    james444 Mad IEM modding wizard level 99

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    AFAIK there are only two widely known and used target curves, the 2008 Diffuse Field curve by Hammershøi & Møller and the 2012 Harman curve by Olive & Welti. Major reviewing sites like Innerfidelity or Golden Ears have their own curves, however these are mostly derived from (or at least pretty similar to) either DF or Harman, with minor proprietary adjustments.

    Here's a short introduction to the DF curve:
    http://rinchoi.blogspot.co.at/2010/05/headphone-equalization.html
    And here's Sean Olive's blog post on how the Harman curve came into being:
    http://seanolive.blogspot.co.at/2013/04/the-relationship-between-perception-and.html

    As I've tried to explain in this and this post, please keep in mind that these are averaged curves and that deviations across individuals may vary substantially. IMHO they're first and foremost useful for manufacturers, who need to cater head-/earphones to a wide audience. But when it comes to our individual idea of "neutral" or "accurate", it's advisable not to take target curves all too seriously.
     
  5. purr1n

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    Bumping this in case some people missed this the first time around. The other thread is more fun, but this one is way more to the point with more focused analysis.
     

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