Anyone have an OLED TV?

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  1. AllanMarcus

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    Oh, as far as looking for a used plasma, I live in the middle of nowhere and at 7200', but I'll look. Good idea. Very few plasma models operate well at this altitude.
     
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    You legitimately can't eval TVs in most stores, because they're almost always setting up horrifically terribly. Color temperature is set to 9000K to look "brighter" and less "dirty," every edge-enhancement trick in the book is on, they probably have the godawful motion smoothing stuff turned on (I have never in my life spoken to anyone who likes this, and yet it's the default on every modern TV, and most people don't even know they can turn it off), brightness is cranked to max, they're out in a hyper-bright showroom floor, etc. Plus the source is often trash, so you get a pile of artifacting that has nothing to do with the display itself.

    It's frustrating, but you either have to go to a high-end specialty store, or just accept that you have to buy it effectively blind even though you are actually looking at it.
     
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    I don't take issue with rtings' reviews of headphones really. Their measurements are very in-line with Tyll's and Purrin's, and both their measurements and subjective analysis of the headphones' sounds correlate very well with what I've experienced with the same headphones as well.

    They weigh heavily on things that audiophiles wouldn't even consider, but we are audiophiles, and they are reviewing towards the average, sane, person.

    They also found a way to correlate perceived soundstage with an actual measurement as well, which is kind of neat. Of course it's just one acoustic phenomenon and I'm sure it doesn't entirely paint the picture of subjective soundstage, but it's still a start.

    HD800, HE-X, HD600650 are all excellent headphones as well.
     
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    If it's mostly night viewing, it's even more of a no brainer. LCD's can compete with the best Plasma & OLED in super bright environments (like in show rooms) because their backlight is countered by the outside brightness, but when it gets darker, the backlight shines through the panel & you get a hazy, muddy low contrast picture.

    Here's a image from a quick search I found to demonstrate
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    Samsung is the AOLED, the HTC must be a VA panels, LG might be a IPS or VA & the Sony should be TFT panel.

    Here is another good example of the difference in night time viewing, from a shootout of a LG OLED vs the best LED TVs.
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    Not quite true. The best plasmas (that still weren't as good as OLED) were the Pioneer Kuro 2nd gen & the Panasonic ZT series & they both retailed for more than what the 65" OLEDs are selling right now. I know because I was scouring for a good deal back then & it never happened.

    The Samsung & LG plasmas that outlasted Pioneer/Panasonic were above regular LED TVs, but nowhere in the same class as the Kuro or ZT.
     
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    I can't believe I missed the 20% off amazon warehouse deals on BF. I could have got the OLED 65" for like $2000. grr. Now I have to wait for Amazon Day in July. Well, that will give me time to go see the various TVs, and to see if something new comes out at CES.
     
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    Just set up a SlickDeals alert for "OLED." There are often Buy.com deals sold through eBay, etc.
     
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    Like the adorama deal yesterday for 1449 for the 55" B6 :'(
     
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    There's always a Christmas sale.
     
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    Sam from rtings.com here, thanks for your interest in our website guys! Regarding our headphones measurements:

    It is true that our measurements are more or less similar to Tyll's (since for the moment we use similar gear), but as we have found out they don't necessarily correspond to real-life subjective impressions (including Tyll's). I won't get into the details in this post, but if anyone's interested I'd be more than happy to explain them. Since our goal is to help users make the best purchase for their needs, and our objective measurements didn't 100% correspond to real-life situations, we had to find a way to improve that. We are currently in the final stages of testing our new testbench which compiles the final result by averaging 30 measurements! So the new results is more likely going to differ from Tyll's and other reviewers out there, but we are quite confident that it will take care of more than 80% of the issues that we've had so far. You should be seeing the new measurements popping up early next year.

    It is also true that our target audience is not necessarily the audiophile, but I'm an audiophile myself and wouldn't be happy with a website that doesn't cater to all users. There are a lot of misinformation going around in audiophile circles and it is one of our long term goals to demystify the whole audiophile world a bit. Not that we think sound quality doesn't matter and all headphones sound the same, but that by focusing on things that 'do truly' affect the sound quality the buyer can make the most out of their investment.

    We are quite proud of our Soundstage test, and it took a long time to crack. It will be even more accurate with the new testbench since we have improved our calculations. However, it doesn't yet completely cover headphones that try to create Soundstage using DSP, but we are trying to come up with solutions for that as well.

    We have also added new tests to our testbench that may interest audiophiles, but since our immediate priority is to bring our objective results closer to what the average person perceives, we will be rolling out them over time. Some of the new tests include bass quality, dynamic range, IMD, and performance consistency.
     
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    After researching way too much, I've narrowed my choices to the three top 65" option on RTings.com. Thanks for that link. I saw RTings, but I didn't realize it was reputable until friends here recommended it.

    LG OLED65B6P: $3000
    Samsung UN65KS8000: $1350 (on sale and with 10% back from Discover)
    Vizio P65-C1: $2000

    Every review seems to see "if you can afford it, get the LG". Well, I've spent way more on headphones that $3000, so I have no excuse. I'm going to ListenUp to take a good look at the LG. Our media room is fairly dark, which is one reason to get the Vizio over the Samsung. The $1200 price, however, is really really inviting.

    I mean is the LG really 2.5 times better than the Samsung? We never hear that question in the headphone hobby! :)
     
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    What's the room like? Lighting, seating distance, etc.
     
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    Is the LG's picture quality 2.5 times better than the Samsung? From what I've read, absolutely.

    That said, when it comes to TVs, I don't care how perfect my picture quality is, I just want to be able to see the story unfold. I have a 1080p TV that's "good enough".

    Unless it's The Grand Tour or something and then OMG HDR 4K please.
     
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    If you're in a dark room, the P series vizio is better than the Samsung, but even that is basically unacceptable compared to the LG
     
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    Mostly dark, since we usually watch at night, but the occasional movie during the day. Not often during the daylight.

    We sit 12' from the TV, directly in from the of it.

    Content is 99% 720p. Might start to stream some Amazon and Netflix to get higher res, but I have a data cap to worry about.
     
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    Something which I've learned is that things are only expensive or cheap when you buy them, after you've bought them they are either good or bad.

    If you can afford it I'd say get the LG and don't look back, the picture quality in a dark room is like nothing else.

    Is there no deal to be found on the LG? Bring it down to 2000-2500 or so?
     
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    Considering it sold for $4500 6 months ago, $3000 is he deal. I think it was $2800 on BF, but that's the best I could find with a US warranty.
     
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    For 720p content, OLED won't provide any benefits.
    If anything it might be a tad worse than the LCD since OLED has wider pixel gaps & can cause a screen door effect, if you sit up close or use it as a PC monitor. Of course that's only noticeable for the 1080p sets and it's a non-issue with the higher pixel count of the 4K sets.

    As for the TV price, most high quality standlone 4K upscalers, that can benefit 720p content, cost twice as much as the acual OLED you are looking into.
     
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    Wait what? people are paying for upscaling hardware? I thought with madvr, people would ditch using built-in TV upscaling altogether for a free (modern PC with good GPU needed) and better solution. Didn't know there are people buying separate hardware for upscaling, much less that they cost more than the OLED TVs. Considering that all consumer video content is compressed, who would even pay over a grand to upscale "imperfect" content?
     
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    It's so cool that you guys took the time to comment on this site Sam, props to the rtings guys and their driving passion. I'd like to thank you guys for providing all the necessary information for me to make the decision to get a Sony X800D to use as a 4k hdr computer monitor. I get it in a couple of days so I hope I'll enjoy it as a computer monitor.

    As far as the LG OLEDs being 2.5times better in dark rooms-- easily. Having true blacks and infinite native contrast ratio is a game-changer. I think thenewerguy's picture showed it best.
     
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    An Oppo 103/105 or the new Oppo UHD player(s) also upscale to 4K. Only disc difference is the older models don't play 4K discs. All have HDMI inputs too.
     

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