Beyer T1 Gen 2 Just Came In!

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  1. ultrabike

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    I can ship the DT1770 to Merv if he wants. Not sure he will like them. Merv? In view of this fiasco, would you like me to sent them 1770s your way?
     
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    yes please send.
     
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    I'll try to ship them along with the mid-fi boat (@keanex) tomorrow.
     
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    I've been listening to the new T1 for some time now and it reminded me very much of the dt990 Edition (premium), in a good way. The T1 has a raised bass (less than dt990), relaxed mids with some warmth and raised trebble (less than dt990). There's less trebble than the dt880 has. It's the audiophile version of the dt990, soundstage is amazing, same level as HD800. What bothers me is the razor sharp edge of the trebble and something at 1-2kHz that I can't figure out.
     
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    I took delivery of these, from Amazon Germany, earlier today. Serial number 271xx.

    The very first impression: These sound simultaneously warm/not the most open or clear AND very sibilant. If the sibilance doesn't go away magically, they will so be going back. The modded K812 I am playing with these days are a bit sibilant, but nowhere near this level. The T1 V2 have a complete deal breaker face tweeter treble.

    I had to dial down my amp tubes so I can even listen to them, and even so they are not acceptable and cringe-worthy. Strings sound, unsurprisingly, tonally off...

    This is with the MSB Signature V full stack and EC 2A3MK4, which is an organic/natural/bit warm sounding system. The amp sounds on the warm side and the EML solid plates are a bit smooth sounding.

    The only arguable improvement I am hearing compared to the T1 V1, is more bass body and warmer mids. Except I don't think this bass is an improvement - not the best quality. The downside is overall clarity has reduced a bit. But with a treble like this who cares really...
     
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    Sad too hear that you've recieved a defective pair!

    Yeah, I remember that video! But I think it was a manufaktur DT770 (or DT990) made on a stand during a show.
    Hopefully they are not making these new T1s on stands at audio shows.

    Here's how Beyerdynamic build and test the T1 lately.
    (Still making the T1 Gen 1 on the video)

    (min. 4:20 to 6:30)
     
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    Words cannot describe how disturbed I feel. It's well known that I do not have positive feelings toward Beyer headphones based on my prior experience (including measurements) of dozens of samples. But against my better judgement (and everyone else's who advised me), I held out HOPE that Beyer could have actually made a pretty good sounding revising of the T1. That fact that the headphone arrived with one driver DOA is a punch-in-the gut disappointment.

    Basically I now have to treat Beyer like an ever-recovering drug addict who can never get his shit together. No fourth or fifth chances.
     
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    I personally liked the DT1770 better than the T1 gen 2. I am more excited that @ultrabike is going to be sending that one around because it supposedly has the same Tesla 2 driver that is in the T1 (and it's cheaper). It's really unfortunate that one of the drivers was defective but good thing these are returnable/exchangable. I honestly think if we are going to be doing official measurements we should at least get a pair with both drivers working.
     
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    The DT1770 was my favorite at Beyer's RMAF table. But still not great. Just kinda wonky sounding. But compared to the other stuff, much, much more enjoyable.
     
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    Don't take it personally, Marv. Unit arrived DOA. A pain in the ass, but you will either get a new unit or a refund. The QC speaks for itself. No matter how good (or not good) a fixed unit ultimately sounds it will be Buyer Beware for anyone reading this thread. Sorry you have to go through the trouble of getting a replacement or refund though.
     
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    Hi, new here. Just thought I would share some observations on the T1 gen 2. I bought and returned these a few weeks ago.

    Aside from having a major spike in the treble at 11-12kHz, these have a really ugly mid-range. Recessed in the upper mids, and heavily boosted (by the new pads) from the lower mids down. The transition from the recessed upper to boosted lower mids causes a really unpleasant boxy/bloated sound, at least to my ears.

    I swapped on my DT880 pads (EDT990V) which completely eliminated the broadband boost to the lows; however it made the treble unbearable.

    Pretty disappointing. I had hoped that between the pads and added damping, Beyerdynamic had finally figured this headphone out.
     
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    My impression of the T1Gen2 remains highly negative. The treble was sharp and sibliant, in large quantities. In comparison, the other spectrums combined seemed less than the treble, which made the (slightly) recessed mids and the boosted lows extremely congested. Soundstage seemed to be its only redemption.
     
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    The perceptive T1 V2 DR, simply put, I think is quite underwhelming. It under delivers higher DR classical recordings. On a scale to 10, the T1 can resolve about 5/10 macro-dynamics and just to give a frame of reference the $200 Focal Spirit Pro, despite being very closed sounding (they are closed HPs) can manage a 5.5-6/10 on my desktop rig. It is that low I had to go to find the closest match to the T1.
     
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    I bought this pair out of my own pocket and out of interest and hope. I actually was genuinely hoping they fixed the T1, which were doing some things well, but had some glaring flaws. This is not completely unlike other successful flagships like the HD800s or HE-6 for example, that require modding.

    I am almost tempted to buy a pair of T1 V1 for a quick spin - my current thoughts from distant memory are Gen1 were better. These V2 do absolutely nothing with quality recordings for me. They don't scale appropriately.

    Side note I am now kind of concerned about this new trend of German dynamic drivers vendors to bloat the bass (see K812 and T1 V2). I surely hope Sennheiser will dodge this one. With the T1 V2 the bass bloat is one of the lesser issues actually. The treble response and very limited DR are a deal breaker for me.
     
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    Yes - some did. I stopped following the other place on this topic, but I recently saw modded pairs being sold. This might be more worthwhile than trying to revert and then mod the T1 V2.
     
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    The Beyer factory looks like a guy making copies of keys at a hardware store. Sennheiser:
     
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    I have a pair of the originals coming in next week. I'll try to mod it because I know I don't like them stock. I'll post a journal here.
     
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    I noted this as well. Thanks for pointing this out. The T1 Gen 2 seems horribly inefficient. Needs a lot of power to drive to get dynamics.
     

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