Beyerdynamic T1 / T5 Gen 3

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  1. TheIceman93

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    Not a peep from Jude yet. Maybe we can beat him to the punch?

    You have a 30 day return policy with Beyer direct so you can send them back if they are hot shit.

    V-Moda? haven't heard that name in a long time.
     
  2. Vtory

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    The review cited a few posts ago lost me in 15 seconds.

    "Convincing" Beyer tesla review should not start like this... These two paragraphs suggest that the guy know NEITHER what he is talking NOR how people had traumatic relationship with previous teslas. "...duly matured into second gen..."
    Ugh.

    I'd disqualify any contemporary tesla headphones reviews that don't have "good criticism" toward previous tesla models in the beginning.

    Ironically I am still dreaming of super dt880. All the conveniences of T1 + 880-like voicing + darker toned upper highs should be a winning combo for some. Why don't Beyer guys think so?
     
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    Once more at the mountains of madness...

    I've conversed with Beyer people about about their "house" sound and their reasoning is that some people like it, so it's good. Can't see why they would change anything for the 3rd gen.
     
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    Still if they did it could be very good but that's a huge "if".

    Because of return policy I think maybe it's worth a shot?!
     
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    I'm scarred.


    Used to own a Gen1 cause head-fi...
     
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    I always shake my head in desbelief thinking why the big audio companies spend money on the big magazines, like Stereophile or TAS, when for probably 1/10 of the price one can buy a front page Head-fi ad + video and 10 of these morons to continuously shill the product. From a value/investment perspective, is a genius approach taking into account how many people will swallow it gracefully, regardless of what the "review" says.
     
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    Some Headfi impressions comparing it directly to the T1.2 (posted pics so seems a little more legit).

    @kman1211 - "Just got them in. First impressions on build is it’s better, feels more solid and well put together than the gen 2. ... First impressions is the headphone is definitely darker in the treble with more body and bass slam."

    "Further listening seems to confirm that the midrange is more present and fuller with more physical presence, the treble is darker, and the overall sound has more meat and substance to it, this is not the old-school Beyer sound by any means ... But these are the darkest Tesla Beyer I've heard but also seem to have the most prominent midrange as both male and female vocals have real presence to them. I'm not finding the fidelity less than the gen 2 and yes the imaging is fantastic."

    https://www.head-fi.org/threads/beyerdynamic-t1-3rd-gen-to-be-released.938562/page-19


    I know this is noise but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this becomes a loaner tour item. As a German, I keep hoping that Beyer gets their act together. My first pair of "nice" headphones were DT770's so I've got a soft spot for the brand.

    Edit: Hey @kman1211, just realized that you are a member here. Please post your impressions if you get the chance. I'll take down the quotes if you prefer.
     
  8. kman1211

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    I don’t mind the quotes being up. These are very early impressions and they’re not broken in yet and with more time I’ll have a better handle of any peaks or recesses they may have. They are quite different than the gen 2 and midrange timbre is an improvement. And I don’t think they are as mid-forward as the HD 6xx line so far, but is more than the T1.2. I haven’t taken the pads off or opened them up yet to see the damping, housing, or driver differences but there does seem to be potentially a removable foam/cloth cover over the driver/baffle that may be replaceable and could be potentially placed on the gen 2, will have to confirm later, just a suspicion I have.
     
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    Got these in today. They look better in person, but only slightly. Comparisons to gen 2 are from memory, so grain of salt, etc.
    • Overall character is similar to the gen 2 (very colored/warm, "U/M" shaped response), but with less treble (4-5kHz up). Slightly punchier bass for some reason.
    • Seems pretty clear the foam over the driver is a treble absorber.
    • Balance is now borderline dark, though not smooth.
    • 8-10kHz peak still present, just dulled a bit. In line with bass amplitude now. Timbre still suffers.
    • Treble above 10-12kHz rolls off sharply, then again after 14-16kHz. Air is lacking.
    • Presence region is still laid-back/recessed/lacking clarity. Doesn't sound as sweet as gen 2, so maybe not as much of a dip? Channel imbalance in this area as well, center image isn't.
    • 100-200Hz upper bass boost is even punchier and peakier, still extends into low mids, makes them muddy and cuppy sounding. Maybe doesn't extend as high as gen 2, which sounded more boxy or hollow.
    • Bass extension is okay, but the excessive upper bass emphasis is going to kill timbre and balance regardless.
    • 32 ohm driver is very picky and hated all my gear (not optimized for low impedance/high sensitivity).
    • DT1770 Pro has a better tuning.
    • HD 650 shits on them hard, though not a fair comparison due to chain synergy. HD 650 FR will always be vastly superior regardless of upstream, though.
    Honestly, the gen 3 just sounds worse to me than the gen 2 did, from memory. While the gen 2 had problems, I remember actually kind of liking it with some music, and spending quite a bit of time listening before I returned it. This iteration just seems sad regardless of what I throw at it. Maybe my standards have gone up in the intervening time.

    I don't see these being of any interest to members here. The treble absorber foam thing feels like a band-aid solution at best. The problems of the gen 2 remain, just papered over.
     
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    Bass is quite a bit punchier when directly comparing them, this stays even when I switch the foam around on the two. The headphone is pickier than the gen 2 in my experience and having spent more time with them, I don't think the headphone will really be ideal for the people here either as it is still Beyer doing their own thing, it does seems to change more system to system than the gen 2 and having it on a system that is better suited for low impedance/high sensitivity will help them.
     
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    Ironically, I found them more revealing of differences in my components than the actual music. I can see a resolving, low output impedance amp bringing out more technicalities, but the FR issues are intractable as far as I'm concerned.

    Edit:

    Pics or it didn't happen.
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    Also, best shot I could get of the absorber.
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    i really like the aesthetic. 32 ohm makes me want to slap someone at Beyer across the face. i get that portable is the new trend but for $1k SRP? I just don't get it.

    are you going to be measuring them? you going to keep them?
     
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    Crinacle has posted a FR graph for the T1 mk3 and it is quite stunning https://crinacle.com/graphs/headphones/beyerdynamic-t1-3rd-gen/

    Looks to be quite dark sounding, loads of bass and lower Mids. Pretty sizable dip in the upper Mids and very tame treble. Beyer may have gone overboard with dampening. Very odd choice to call this headphone a t1 considering how much of a departure it is from the previous generations.

    I actually ended up selling the Amiron home because I thought it was overly dampened and always sounded somewhat muffled even with eq.
     
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    I wouldn't call mid and high treble 5dB over the level at 1khz remotely stunning. Or if you'd rather phrase it another way, a 15dB dip centered at 2.5k, but spanning 700hz to 5khz? That looks about like the mk2, maybe worse. That graph looks both insufferably warm and insufferably bright.
     
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    It is easier to see compared to something else https://crinacle.com/graphs/headphones/graphtool/

    He has the amiron home measured as well as the 650 to use as a reference. The new t1 is massively dipped in the upper Mids, 5db more at 2k,10 vs the 650. Treble is less than the amiron home but bass and low mids about the same. Most shocking to me is the air region which is wonky and dipped on the new T1. It has a odd spike at 13k and then plummets to inaudiblity. Beyer usually has quite good treble extension, one of their trademarks I think

    It is one of the strangest FRs I have seen in a modern flagship.
     
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    At least as far as FR on LaCen's rig goes it looks to be HP-3 with even more exaggeratedly sunken upper mids and less air up top (latter could be nice) with just a token effort in the mid-treble (more jagged than on Klipsch). Audioquest Nighthawk making a comeback? The far more restrictive-looking dampening makes me wonder at how it might portray low-level information relative to the AQ, honestly. Would need a hella beefy motor to keep from sounding bland.

    Bass though.
     
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    The T1.3 measurements look like the dt990 black edition does sound (it's different from the classic dt990, more bassy/warm). The black edition 880/990 or Tygr are a cheaper options for this kind of sound.
     
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    The upper mids don't sound quite as recessed as the graphs show may be due to the angling of the driver. But speaking of the Nighthawk, I would say these are similar in some ways, it's definitely unique in it's tuning like the Nighthawk and whether you like that or not will come down to your own ears and preferences. But in terms of technicalities the T1.3 is definitely better than the Nighthawk, it's not lacking in texture, scalability, etc. like the Nighthawk. But yeah Beyer did something unorthodox and took more of an Nighthawk approach in that it goes against convention. In fact it's arguably more unique sounding. The rear damping is less restrictive on the T1.3 than the T1.2. Also something interesting to note is the T1.2 pads make the T1.3 even bassier (seems to bring out more mid and sub bass) and seems to cut the treble more, will have to spend more time with the pads swapped. The pads are definitely different between the two.
     
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    Are there photos of the insides yet? To say that it outresolves the Nighthawk's texture is damn impressive because whatever your stance on the voicing the driver ekes out a lot of information (much as it gets masked by the warm, haha)— I'm wondering how

    LaCen's measurements referenced above are on a fancy GRAS rig so if anything there should be greater interaction with those cheek/ear sims than a flat plate and a consequent boost in that region. Just going off what headphones I've heard I think his target is great from upper mids onwards— I just think the Harman In-Room Flat target is more representative of what I hear below about 3~4kHz.

    I have no clue when I'll be able to get ears on this (a dark Beyer! Such a novelty) but yeah that FR ain't super encouraging cuz the HP-3 is about as recessed as makes sense IMO, and that's after I adjusted to it.

    Edit:
    Looking back on this what in the name of the nine circles of hell do they mean this is somehow supposed to be BRIGHTER??????
     
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    Measurement looks interesting. I made a little easier-to-see comparison plot.

    [​IMG]

    Beyer seems to follow a very new target curve. No idea what and how they derived. As already mentioned, -10db@2khz (relative to 200hz which I normalized at) seems pretty extreme. And that was never shown in either classical lines or previous-gen teslas.

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    (Normalized at 1khz)

    A 2khz low Q severe dip given, I am not sure whether it sounds darker to me. My prediction is it's way more V than any of previous beyers and bass to upper mid ratio is nearly alarming to what I believe a good tonality measure like. Without actually getting my hands on, can't say any stronger though.
     
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