Classical snobs

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  1. Pharmaboy

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    Lovely songs. So much happened in 20th century composition besides dissonance & atonal music (though I love all of that, as well). Are you hip to Moeran? Another composer of ravishing songs...
     
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    I would listen to Debussy play scales (to paraphrase the old theater truism).

    I listen to a lot of Debussy. Here's a gorgeous english horn transcription of his rhapsody for alto saxophone & piano:

     
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    Love love LOVE Pierre Boulez!!
     
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    Years ago, at a time when I listened more to music of the 18th century than any other era, a friend got me very high and forced me to listen to Bartok's Violin Concerto No. 2. I never quite got over it. The opening passage with the voilin was a clarion call of modernity to me.

    I've been following that call ever since (as well as falling in love with any number of other Bartok compositions, and those of his contemporaries).
     
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    The Houston Opera Company revived Porgy and Bess in the mid-1980s (the first such revival in a generation). My wife & I immediately got tickets to their 1st NYC performance of it...sat in the VERY FIRST ROW of Radio City Music Hall and proceeded to have one of the most hair-raising musical experiences of our lives. We've seen it a couple more time, but nothing equaled that first time...
     
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    Mozart was not bound by a Sonata form, he perfected it, and anyone who thinks that Mozart music is simple should start with this
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    There is nothing quite like the rich struck-wood tonality of the marimba. I have many of these same pieces transcribed for marimba & played by Jean Geoffrey.

    It's a measure of J.S. Bach's greatness as a composer that his instrumental pieces endure any amount of transcription to distant instrument classes/types, and the glory of the music always shines through.
     
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    You make a good point about film scores as a "vector" of greater interest/involvement in classical music of all kinds. I have my own stories along these lines. For example, the music of Ligeti was unknown to me until I saw 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY in its original release. The choral music that I would later identify as Ligeti's "Lux Aeternae" absolutely destroyed me--I'd never heard anything like it. Now I own and love any number of his choral and instrumental compositions.
     
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    I have 2 or 3 recordings of the Missa Solemnis--so overpowering is this music that no matter how hard I try, I soon lose any initial focus on performance quality, differences between recordings, etc. The entire piece is a cry from the heart (and soul) of this composer.

    I may prefer Beethoven's choral/operatic writing to his instrumental work, sacrilege that it is. Have you heard his Oratorio, "Christ in the Mount of Olives"? Beautiful. As for opera...well, "Fidelio" is among the best I've ever heard. Some of the vocal quartet parts just carry me away.
     
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    Love this pianist...but Grieg is one of the few composers of any era that I struggle to appreciate (at least this warhorse piano piece). He wrote some lovely songs & choral arrangements that I quite admire.
     
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    Arvo Part is known for a particularly spiritual and elevated use of minimalism--a style I greatly admire and gravitate towards more and more. It is definitely a change of pace from the big, forceful orchestral works of the 19th century. I especially love the way Part expressively uses space (between notes, chords, instruments, and ideas).
     
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    I will try the Dutoit/Chung version. For years I couldn't find a version that really moved me & so basically gave up.

    I had discovered this wonderful piece on a late '60s RCA w/Erick Friedman & Ozawa conducting. It remains my favorite (probably because I wore the grooves off that record), but I never managed to find it on CD. Here it is on youtube, still sounding lovely, compact & expressive:


    When in doubt about any violin piece, I always check with Hilary Hahn, whose playing never fails to work for me. And so it is here on her more measured, thoughtful version...she holds back just slightly on the meter, and as usual, I'm spellbound:
     
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    When I first heard & imprinted on K. 314, it was with Pierre Pierlot on oboe. Just hearing it again. There's something about his somewhat wider/less controlled vibrato that just nails me:



    I also have a number of recordings w/Holliger, whose interpretations are typically unassailable. I spent 1 hour chasing Heinz through Lambert Field in St. Louis mid-'80s--knew he was there because the PA system called him to the "white courtesy phone" several times. I wanted his autograph but never caught sight of him...
     
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    A wonderful Griffes piece frp, "The Roman Sketches," "The Fountain of Aqua Paola," appears on the very fine Carole Rosenberger DELOS recording, "Water Music of the Impressionists" (which I listen to at least once a month). That first cut is linked below. Based on this one example of Griffes' style, I've sought out other Griffes' works on Youtube.



    Here's the CD info from DELOS...strongly recommend you get this recording: https://delosmusic.com/36-for-36-water-music-of-impressionists/

    And the complete Roman Sketches played by Denver Oldham (whom I've never heard of):
     
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    Beautiful music! Hadn't heard this one...thanks for suggesting it.
     
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    Thanks for the reminder. Enjoying #3 right now
     
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    I thought that Beethoven's vocal works were not as great as his instrumental ones until I heard the Missa. That said his Choral symphony, Fidelio, Choral Fantasy, lieder, cantatas and Mass in C as well as the Ode to Joy are marvellous works. Beethoven did not reach the consistent heights of Mozart and Bach's vocal works apart from the Missa possibly because he was not trained vocally, pushed the singers to extemes with his writing and focused mostly on instrumental works. His deafness may have played a part too as vocal writing may benefit from hearing actual voices including one's own. Furthermore, during the classical to romantic transition in which Beethoven lived, instrumental writing was much in vogue and vocal works were the domain of Italianate simpler composers like Rossini which Beethoven much despised.

    That said, I still think that the Missa is equal in stature to Bach's Mass or Passions or Mozart's Figaro or Don Giovanni. Beethoven outshined most of his other vocal works with his groundbreaking monumental instrumental works, namely the string quartets, piano sonatas and symphonies.

    However just listen to this... it equals Schubertian mastery of lieder with a Beethovenian signature:

     
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    Galactic music:

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    Beautiful. DFD is a brilliant Lieder interpreter, very articulate . Reminded me of a Schubert cycle with Richter...
     
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    I've loved Berio's Sinfonia since it came out in the original vinyl that I still own:

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    But there's a worthy new recorded performance by the Seattle Symphony and Roomful of Teeth, in combination with Boulez's Notations I-IV and Ravel's La Valse. Well recorded, dynamic, many layers to enjoy and study.

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