Classical snobs

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  1. crenca

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    funny, this at least in part might be why I like them. For HP listening, too many classical recordings are too homogenized IMO. Recent DG recordings give me more of a sense of separation I like IRL
     
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    Yes, it’s always good to have an idea of what crap sound is for classical! You really do need a reference especially when trying out new gear. Most “audiophile” test songs are of other genres.
     
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    Interesting, the very bad examples like the Emerson recording of Bach The Art of Fugue, or Emerson and Rostropovich Schubert - Streichquintett C-Dur, are indeed older than dozen years. The stuff that is , at least for me, well recorder like Schubert: Forellenquintett - Trout Quintet with Mutter, Trifonov, among others, are recent.
    So maybe I am infeed complaining about the old stuff.
     
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    I came across this on Qobuz recently — Dvorak Violin Concerto with Anne-Sophie Mutter. The violin sounds like it's 12 feet wide.

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    I'm listening to this with HPs so I'm in the middle of the stage with her and the rest of the players, but it's almost as if the mix/master engineer was rapidly adjusting her place in the mix - her violin getting ripped across the stage rapidly, along with the reverberation cues (which themselves are overdone)...

    Edit: The low strings are fat/lacking resolution as well. I won't be purchasing this...
     
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    About halfway through the first movement there is a passage where she is moving up the strings and you can really get a sense of that height change and its pretty dramatic, at least to me. Makes me think they mic'd her really close, which could explain the more diffuse and shifting imaging.

    I agree that there is a definite lack of bass texture. The entire accompaniment is generally not well represented and feel to be way at the back of the whatever room they recorded this in. Its like they forgot it was a concerto. Too bad, as this is generally a nice piece.
     
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    From COVID performances in the empty Amsterdam Concertgebouw, this one featuring the excellent Dutch violinist Liza Ferschtman. The reverberance of the hall is wonderfully captured.

     
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    I've really been enjoying the mix on these for speakers with the family around. A lot, if not most, classical recordings I can't listen to with anyone else in the room since the dynamic swings piss off my wife when it blares.
    They seemed to do a good job of getting the dynamics wide and not tall (if that makes sense).

    @wormcycle You've probably heard enough Beethoven string quartet versions for a lifetime, but might check out the Takacs recordings from 2016. I think they are pretty good, but I'm probably biased since they are local so I've seen them often.
     
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    :) If you mean three sets by Decca, that was the very first complete recordings of Beethoven quartets I ever bought, and they started my addiction.
     
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    Speaking of Beethoven, he had a real gift for vocal & choral composition. I've been listening to his magnificent opera, FIDELIO, all evening. Particularly in the multiple voice groupings, this music is passionate and quite beautiful.

    My recording is a 2 CD set w/von Karajan conducting the Berlin Philharmonic. I can't recommend this version enough...

     
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    Sometimes I see something on Qobuz and I just gotta check it out. Bach violin partitas played on a saxophone.

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    It works! Raaf Hekkema is very talented, and in any case Bach's music plays well on just about any instrument.

    Check out his incredible performance of Paganini:

     
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    Enjoying these songs by Mahler on my new rig:

     
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    Trying to broaden my classical music enjoyment beyond Bach cello suites. I was unfamiliar with the selections on this ECM album by Zsofia Boros, Local Objects, but I'm digging them all. It's well recorded, with what I thought at first was a touch too much artificial reverb, but apparently it was recorded in an empty auditorium and not close mic'ed, which is what I'm accustomed to hearing with finger style guitar in pop recordings.
     
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    Some may not view Bernard Herrman's soundtrack to Hitchcock's VERTIGO as classical music. But to my ears, this soundtrack--indeed, most of his film scores--is very much classical music, both in the instrumentation & utilization of themes/motifs.

    The overarching theme here is tortured, thwarted love...obsessional love, the kind that must end badly. Every note of the score drives this home. I listen to this soundtrack at least once a month, year-round. And for what it's worth, IMO the film itself is among the top 2 or 3 ever made:

     
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    Funnily enough, I rediscovered this soundtrack just the other week when looking for something else in my library. What stood out the most when listening to it again in its entirety was how very cohesive it is. It works as a single, unified piece of music, and I think the themes and motifs you describe have everything to do with this. It's most certainly not the kind of disjointed mix of filler and theme tune that can too often mar movie soundtracks. In other words, the soundtrack works on its own, independent of the film, and as a compelling piece of music, almost like a tone poem.
     
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    Exactly right. It's as if a big symphonic tone poem by Richard Strauss or one of his contemporary was sectioned off into 3-6 minute movements, each stating a new motif or adding to a larger theme: 20th century classical music filtered through cinema.

    The irony is that Herrman's "serious" (non-film) works were less successful than his film scores. Based on everything I've heard, Herrman was to film music what Hitchcock was to film: the kind of master creator that only comes along once every 75 years or so...
     
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    Been listening to this (fairly) recent Henschel Quartet release.
    I found it because I was on the look out for a good version of "The Trout". This one is pretty decent.



    What has kept me coming back to the album is that is also contains a very good version of Mendelssohn's Octet. I'm often on the lookout for a good "Trout"...I'm ALWAYS on the lookout for a good Mendelssohn octet since there are fewer good ones.

     
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    There are some wonderful live performances on YouTube. I like this one very much.

     
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