Folks, let's stop poo-pooing prices. In this forum, nobody thinks price is a predictor of performance (unless it's from proven designers and makers). High price is a show stopper for most people here and rather considered "value (performance-to-price ratio) sucks more likely". Educated consumers are not damaged at all, as long as product quality information is more transparently shared in the market. I'd hear more impressions from different ears (as opposed to a witch trial relying on one data point) and for now, want to pull more detailed opinions from Marv. @purr1n Can you share more impressions of that dac when headphones were used (via AF or other not-dragging quality head amps)? I know impressions via speakers and those via headphones are associated. But also often find that these transducers weigh perceptive values differently as their acoustic interactions differ. It is possible noticeable annoyance on speakers would transform into non-issue or to less extent, or vice versa. In my experience, headphones and speakers (if both are really well designed and implemented) differ mostly in (let alone viscerality) how small info is pulled and presented, and how spatial cues are conveyed. Needless to say, this -- at least to me -- affected my dac evaluations very often if not always. Also I kinda think you use too good speakers (I'm not saying prices for sure lol) to replicate. Majority of space-constraint members use (or have to use) class-D active speakers or small box speakers with small woofers (often placed sub-optimally). For this reason, I somewhat consider headphones a better reference point. Would like to hear your impressions via familiar cans.