Focal Elear and Utopia

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  1. SingSing

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    US$3,999 for a 40mm dynamic driver? Nyet.

    The value proposition is likely as poor as your opening post is bad.
     
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    Classy guy you are
     
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    That smells so much marketing Bullshits.. Focal even put Chord products in their pictures ( ERR: probably not focal. CHord products were added by Head-fi )... Jeez .. it smells like Ultrasonish crap BS. Maybe not that bad sound bu nothing that can justify such a price tag.

    Hope for Focal I'm wrong and they really created something special but I doubt any 40mm dynamic driver would sound good enough to justify a 4K (!!!! ) price tag.

    Skeptical I am... to say the least.
     
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    I'm genuinely curious here: what's the correlation between driver size and sound quality?
     
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    Focal is no Chord and their speakers are no joke. The Spirit line was not bad. There is no headphone that can justify 4000$ pricetag and i doubt those will make an exception, but the 1000$ looks intriguing to say at least.
     
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    $3999 is a bottom line, i guess.
     
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    Actually, it's a common marketing plan. Creating a completely unaffordable headphone that offers luxury finish and claim the 999$ one is basically as good sounding without all the fancy stuff.

    Too much marketing for my blood. I still stay curious to listen and measure those headphones though.

    @philipmorgan : I think usual 40mm dynamic drivers are limited in term of performance , especially for bass extension and distorsion in that area. Maybe I'm wrong and maybe Focal found something with their "new technology that comes from our Hi end speakers blablablabla"
     
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    Is this the one that's going to be at Source A/V on Saturday?
     
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    I posted this on a profile post but: this bums me out. I love my Focal Spirit Pro, have recommended it to many pros and enthusiasts. Would love to see them do a $600 headphone to make it extra comfy but $4K? Disappointing. Even a $1K phone is higher than I want to go. If it is way more resolving than the FSP with a similar balance, and extremely comfortable, then it would be very appealing to me. But I also have an HD600 that cost 1/3 of the price they're talking about.
     
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    "designed like a pair of speaker drivers"

    So the tuning's gonna be all wrong for headphones then? Given the different compensation curves that headphones and speakers have...
     
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    Focal got pretty close (according to Tyll) to the Harmann target curve for hp's with Spirit Pros, so I'd think they understand the differences between speakers and headphones.
     
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    I think it's ironic that their 4k offering looks worse than their 1k offering-- at least to my eyes.
     
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    Yeah, the Elear looks classier. Kind of reminds me of Shure's top models. Cool aesthetics - let's hope they get the comfort right this time too.
     
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    When will Tyll get these?

    Jude is actually posting frequency response graphs and THD. OMG. Cool stuff.

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    Utopia has slightly better bass extension than HD800. Only 3dB down at 20Hz from 100Hz. Of course a GRAS 45 is going to get a better seal than you likely would on your own head though.
     
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    Well, the THDs are nice and low all the way to the sub-bass, which is tough for a 40mm dynamic, that 4k null and subsequent 6-7k spike on the elear do not spell good things tho...
     
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    Bingo! Focal seems to have given up their original spirit though.
     
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    What do you mean by that?
     
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    This might be interesting. It's big boy audio from a trusted brand and it's a traditional dynamic driver! I know it's $4k, but that's dealer price, and I bet the build quality will be much much better than some $3k headphones put together with snot and boogers. (Let's not say who they are). I have Focals in my car - so I am definitely looking forward to this.
     
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    Don't worry. Jude will only provide these on a selective basis only when the measurements are favorable or semi-favorable. :p
     

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