Get a hearing test if you disagree with me

Discussion in 'How to Win Friends and Influence People' started by Gallic Dweller, Sep 8, 2021.

  1. bixby

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    Well, that is interesting, I suppose it is different for everyone.

    I am plagued by crunchiness with my latest TV speaker adventure. A bit of a peak in the speakers and no easy way to correct anywhere from 1.8khz to 4khz, can drive me batty. Especially with our local abc station that seems compressed like a poor mp3.

    But in other day to day environs without music, it has been helpful.
     
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    It might be. Very occasionally. There's plenty of audiophiles in denial about hearing loss. But context is all, and hey, manners is even more all. So, in this instance, no, it wasn't ok.

    Personally, I would dare to question your hearing. I've seen what you can do to stretched cellophane. The horror!

    Indeed, it is peculiar. There's a good chance I might be the deafest member here, but there is still stuff I notice, especially if it is bad. Hearing loss for me is accompanied by increased sensitivity to loud sound and to clipping, distortion, etc. Worst of both worlds: take care of your ears!

    How about wax? Do you think that immersing my head in an ultrasonic cleaner would help? I've been looking, for years, for an excuse to buy one.

    You could try soaking them overnight.
     
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    Not sure about your area (or even if you're OTA), but here the locals send out their OTA HD signals in 720p, downsampled from a 1080 source. I can hear the difference from when we had cable TV and getting the 1080 feed. And yeah, it's almost like getting fed an mp3...
     
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    yes @Qildail , I cut the cord a decade ago. Surprisingly the picture is very good OTA yet that pesky channel 7 is the poorest in sound quality. Now back to your scheduled program. :)
     
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    Just ask your gf to give you the full body wax treatment and do your ears while you're at it.

    Or just laser it. I have no regrets.
     
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    YMO Chief Fun Officer

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    You wanna wax my back and have it on Zoom? I'll eat tons of KDs while you wax my back.

    I'm ok with the hair but I love to control it.

    On a serious note, does one have hairy ears affects hearing? I feel like it does, which is why I do what I do.
     
  8. purr1n

    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    It's kind of a cheap low-blow that is totally unnecessary here on SBAF, especially toward a founding member (CS still counts). In fact, this is the first time I've seen it since SBAF booted up six years ago.

    What should be questioned and acknowledged of oneself is the rest of the component chain and typical recordings. Have you guys noticed how @rhythmdevils describes his component chain for every single one of his reviews? This is Changstar old school stuff. It's done to minimize variables. Same thing with the photos: pictures or it didn't happen - because people make up all sorts of bullshit.

    Asking for component chain or even pictures is still legit. Recordings too. If you say you used Walküre Attack or a Magnius to assess a DAC, I'm... I'm just not going to bother.

    I've run so many big, medium, small headphone meets. I have never seen people hear something different when all variables are controlled. People may prefer something over another. But I have never seen say person say something is bright and another person say something is dark at the exact same setup on the same place at the same day.

    Now I have heard people say something a piece of gear is bright when it was the specific master that was bright, e.g. Michael Jackson SACDs have no bass. Even recordings down to the specific release / master are a variable that needs to be controlled. I've also been to meets where the guy before F'd with the EQ controls in JRiver. Yes, I notice this kind of shit.
     
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    I wish folks were more forthcoming about their hearing, at least disclosing their age. Folks > 50 (let alone > 70) going on and on about the limits & fine points of a gears top octave are hard to believe. It's possible that they have lived a sheltered life and have bucked the age trends, just not likely. Due to a shooting accident and a normal life, at 52 my left ear is only good for about 10k, though my right was sitting at 13.5 last time I checked (cough cough, over a year ago...). I have noticed I am somewhat down the "what did you say honey?" female voice attenuation path, particularly when background noise is up. Both my parents are now in their mid 70's and both need hearing aids, but have not bothered. That's my and most of y'alls future as well. That said experience in gear evaluation is certainly the more important than (minor) hearing loss overall.

    edit: I should add that these thoughts are prompted more by the many ORFAS publication reviews written by men who have been collecting Social Security for a number of years than anything I have read here at SBAF ;)
     
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    Heh. You've noticed, or you've been told? ;)
     
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    OP was a bit rude yes and it seems like OP does not understand the reality that you don't need perfect hearing to know what you are doing in this hobby, but IMO the "concept of hearing loss / individual FR" is a legitimate concern. And what @crenca said - hearing loss is an eventual reality for all of us, more so for those of us who grew up or live in an urban environment or participate in other activities not conducive to good hearing (ie crenca's shooting accident / shooting in general, sound engineer, lots of concerts, etc).

    This is also who why in one gear review once I wrote once I spelled out what my audiologist told me w/ regards to my own hearing. As a matter of fact, I quietly think if a publication (let's just say Stereophile as an easy example) wanted to be very transparent, all of the regular authors and staff would occasionally post their own audiologist results - again knowing that these results are a bit like gear measurements - they tell us some things, but not everything.
     
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    I bet us old farts in our 50s (hearing damage and all for a variety of reasons) probably have better hearing than many IEM younglings in Asia. Sure we went to rock concerts, used firearms, blew stuff up with firecrackers, maybe even operated loud equipment.

    However, I bet prolonged day in and day out exposure with IEMs and our biological propensity to acclimate to SPLs, thus cranking it up even more, is far more destructive to our hearing. It's not uncommon to see young folks with IEMs on almost all day everywhere they go. I cite the Olive IEM target and Asian IEM FR preferences as evidence of this hearing loss. The bass I get, who doesn't want moar bass. But those upper mids and lower treble. Induced hearing loss often manifests as a dip around 4kHz to 6kHz. Go figure. As far higher frequencies, last octave, that's a matter of age and genetics (how much bat or dog DNA you got).
     
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    I got a bit too much of a giggle out of this since I was listening to this album literally an hour ago, LMAO.

    Can confirm that kids can have worse hearing; know way too many people around my age or even younger who've properly deafened themselves for some reason or other. One of the sadder ones is a guy I was interning alongside at a psych clinic who you had hearing about as bad as my grandpa's towards his last years-- turns out his parents argued so much as he was growing up that eh got used to maxing out the volume on every piece of gear to try and block the domestic kerfuffle out.

    Most other cases are less pitiable as they just spend way too much time in clubs for assorted reasons. Can't discredit how amazingly loud life in a cramped urban sprawl can be either, which likely contributes to why IEMs are so popular hereabouts as well.
     
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    My hearing is mostly fucked by seasonal allergies. I try not to buy expensive stuff then. Can tell when it's acting up if i hear a ringing and hiss in the right ear.
    At 40 i'm good up to about 14-15k last time i checked. I've been careful with my ears due to over sensitivity when i was younger, some sounds just hurt physically. Better now but still not a loud listener at around 70db.

    Looking back it's probably some form of hyperacusis perhaps caused by brain surgery as a baby.
     
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    Reminds me of this younger guy at work (I was 26, he was 24) who tends to speak pretty loudly. He came up to me one day and said he wanted to try my Andromeda. He then proceeded to plug Andromeda into his iPhone, CRANK that shit to around 80-90%, and listen to some EDM (I know it's EDM because I could hear it from his head 1m away) for about an hour before handing it back to me, looking all satisfied. I was horrified. To give some perspective, the volume range I use is usually at 30-40% with my iPhone and even then it's still super loud to me.

    What he said later was "Oh it's nothing compared to the clubs I have been to" which is super scary – to think there are legions of young kids who listen to Andromeda at 1000db out there in the wild...
     
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    Yes, sure. Apart from downright rudeness, this guy totally failed to check out the community he joined, and who's who.

    To be clear: I was not making any kind of excuse whatsoever.

    (And anyway, being moderately deaf, needing hearing aids for conversation, it is a whole sensitive area for me!)

    I have not expressed an opinion of audio for the last several years in which my hearing severely declined. My opinion is useless to anyone else now. Despite that, although anything I might have to say about frequency response, especially highs, can be tossed in the bin, there are numerous kinds of bad that I can hear. Unfortunately.
     
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    The hairs act as aerials for that intra-universe vibrational energy from which some people feel a need to protect their audio equipment.

    They can throw away the audiophool protection, as they now have a direct feed anyway.



    "Hair growing out every hole in me"

    --- Zappa.
    (It's one of those lines that tends to earworm me :eek:)
     
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  18. LetMeBeFrank

    LetMeBeFrank Won't tell anyone my name is actually Francis

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    At 33 my hearing only goes up to 15.5k, used to be 19k when I was in highschool. I can no longer hear my dog whining unless he's doing it very loud. My wife however, can still hear right up to 20k. I got tested in 2019 and she got tested last month at the ENT Dr. I watch alot of machining videos on YouTube and she will sometimes complain about a high pitch whine I can't hear at all.
     
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    your dog wines at over 15.5k? Without looking it up again, istr that almost all music except perhaps "air" is below 16k: you must have a very high-pitched dog. I'm curious about this: can you use a phone app, eg Audiotool, to get rough dog-whine frequency?

    I can't here electrical-equipment control beeps at all. One that I measured was at 4k. The hearing aids transpose that stuff to make it audible. They do a good job of that, but a bad job at music.
     
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    LetMeBeFrank Won't tell anyone my name is actually Francis

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    He rarely whines so it would be hard to time but I'll try lol

    He's 14, and when he was young I could still hear his whines and they were very high pitch.
     

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