HD6XX vs K7XX vs HE4XX

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  1. Pillars

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    I was offering a differing opinion of what I interpreted. What I wrote was of no offense and heavily suggestive of coming from my experience and tastes. The 6XX to me is not an ideal gaming headphone even if it's potential is realized. Nothing wrong with a little brighter sound with tight bass for gaming or otherwise so long as it doesn't fatigue. Also, I don't know those people.
     
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    Yeah. OK. You mean you were offering a different reason for not going with the HD6XX with gaming. This is not a contrary opinion. This is the same opinion, but with a different rationale.

    So why did you say "on the contrary to purr1n" again?

    I am confused. I am missing something? English is not my first language.

    I also defined sound quality as "resolution and frequency response", yet you disagreed with me saying that "sound quality does matter for gaming" and proceeded to redefine my stated definition of sound quality to a preferred bright signature so that you could handily offer a "contrary opinion" to mine.
     
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    You stated video games will not take advantage of more resolving gear and alluded that sound quality in games doesn't matter because you played a game from 1999 really well. I've tried to offer productive feedback based on my experience with modern titles stating it could matter. I also got hungry somewhere in there and made a sandwich.
     
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    You said brighter cans helps with gaming with certain games. That's fine - I can see this be true with games like Xenoblade 2 on the Switch. But how does a hot treble and scooped section in the mids, not to mention lower resolution, equate to higher sound quality?

    I said we don't need the sound quality of the HD600/HD650 for gaming, so stick with K7XX/SRH940. Then you said you are of contrary opinion and that "sound quality" is important for gaming, so don't bother with HD6XX, but stick with K7XX.

    Still confused.

    I did my Clash of Clans war attack around the time of your sandwich.
     
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    I probably should have quoted and reread better, I f**k that up sometimes. I interpreted as if games actually had better sound something like the 6XX would be useful to which I don't agree simply due to it's voicing. The sound quality needed for gaming and music is different in my eyes, neither would I consider bad. The 7XX has more treble energy, good layering and is fast enough with a large stage so I'd consider it better gaming SQ. Shit man.. I need to do my COC attacks, double war xp. Been dabbling with a weird max lvl bat potion bomb strategy.

    Oh and, Blueberry Jam and Turkey? I have both of those things.. Will give that weird shit a go tomorrow.
     
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    Allow me to write for you:

    In addition to what purr1n said about games and most anime soundtracks not being able to take full advantage of the HD6**'s better sound quality, another reason to stick with the K7XX is that its sharper highs and marginally better bass quality allow the gamer to more easily make out important sound cues and messages during sonically congested and busy parts of games.​

    See. Simple and to the point without the convoluted I-wanna-be-contrary-to-be-cool bullshit.

    BTW, I did define sound quality as "resolution and frequency response". If there is anything that annoys the heck out of me, it's people redefining what I said or meant, and then using that redefinition to opine in a contrary way. Even if you missed my definition of sound quality, I think it should have been pretty obvious given the context of this site. Last I checked, this wasn't Super Best Gaming Friends: Gaming Headphones Subforum.
     
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    Battlefield series has great sound design.
     
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    I don't agree with the statement you made or the one you attempted to rewrite, plain and simple despite my interpretation. Some headphones are good with rap, rock, others classical/etc. Gaming fits into a category. You spoke of gaming audio and I commented further on why that may not be the case. It was a contrary opinion that sparked a debate that elaborated further why our opinions were formed in the first place of how we consider sound quality.

    I came here to learn and share my experiences. You've made several condescending comments during this conversation that leave the impression that you really only care about your own impression, that's your call. I don't do the elitist thing, I keep my eyes and ears open.

    Dark, I rather enjoyed BF1. It came to mind as an example but Hunt: Showdown is a huge step ahead in terms of how important gaming-centric sound quality can be.
     
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    I have heard good things about Crytek engines. Some stuff to discover in the future.. Back on topic. This forum is more music centric so It would be decent to make an artist based reference to music with audio gear.
     
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    Don't know about the 7XX, but K701 absolutely stinks for imaging, therefor shit for gaming.
    At least the HD600+ will image accurately.
    Good modern fps/rpg games have much better sound engines than in year 2008.
    HD800 rules of hp-s, then for the cost why not get cheap studio monitors instead.
     
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    I agree with this. K7XX series have a wide, very oval soundstage with a hole in the middle. Not a good choice and generally very overrated gaming wise. People mistake the overall leaner nature (in comparison to their previously owned gaming headsets or cheap (closed) boomy headphones) and accentuation in the treble with detail and high resolve.

    HD600 is smaller in width but has more depth and is better balanced overall and of course in tone and detail. And if you absolutely need a more leaner nature you could EQ down and do it more competently as well. You win for all your tastes.

    If you want to go all out for gaming and movies and maybe even use a Realiser or similar setup then of course the HD800 over anything imo.
     
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    Oh Jesus.. we're talking 6XX vs 7XX here, where I'd rate the 7XX higher in gaming. It's not the end all headphone for gaming, it's just got the edge over the 6XX given the sennheiser's voicing. It's definitely not "shit" for gaming in the sea of headphones out there. Put your pitchforks down already, it's too early for that.
     
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    Your contribution to SBAF has been refunded for debating semantics. Head-Fi is a much less elitist place.
     
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    Jesus Christ that was uncalled for
     
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    I don't disagree with his opinion that the K701 may be more suitable for the HD650 for gaming.

    But I do feel it is immensely disrespectful to redefine my definition of "sound quality" when I explicitly defined it as "resolution and frequency response" and then use this straw man to create an unnecessary disagreement / contrary opinion to mine.

    Now he if meant that "sound quality" of headphones is variable, that is according to music genre, gaming being one of them, then this is not the right place for him. I'd say it's probably more true that "sound quality" of headphones is more according to specific masters of recordings. Given the foundations of SBAF, when we talk about better or worse sound quality, it does have a meaning, a meaning that cannot be defined as variable according to music genre. Headphones and speakers with higher sound quality will always sound better assuming the recording is capable regardless of genre. I don't have a rap speaker, a classical speaker, a Rolling Stones speaker, a Talking Heads (original issue speaker), Talking Heads (~2007 remasters) speaker, a female vocals speaker, etc.
     
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    I understood him to be replying to this post. It did sound to me like you were saying there is no benefit to good headphones for gaming because you used cheap Grados. That's how I read the argument anyway. I don't think he was trying to mess with your definition of sound quality. Anyway, this is just more noise, I'll bow out.
     
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    How is it possible that he replied to that post when that post of mine (#18) was AFTER his "on the contrary to purr1n" reply (#17)?
     
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    Haha, good point! Clearly I'm confused too. I'm not entirely sure how he came up with the idea that you don't think good headphones are important to gaming. I do think that this was a misunderstanding that revolved around that idea though.
     
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    It's all context or things taken out of context:

    Personally, I feel either HD600 or HD650 are going to be superior in terms of resolution and frequency response to either SRH940 or the AKH7XX at the expense of muddier bass... Video games and anime soundtracks (with a few exceptions) will not take advantage of more resolving gear. (I use Fulla 2 and Sony MA900 for games, anime, YouTube, PornHub, etc. The Fulla 2 is portable and MA900 is light and super comfortable.)
    Heck, I didn't even use the words "sound quality". He put those into my mouth.

    Arguments on semantics, straw-man arguments, etc. That drives me nuts. There is a place for that: Head-Fi. In addition, SBAF does have a more narrow definition of "sound quality" based not only on subjective measures, but also objective ones. The downside to this more narrow approach is that less varied opinions, definitions, and axioms are permitted. Someone has got to draw a line somewhere, otherwise, everything is good.

    But getting back on topic:
    1. HD6XX is not a good candidate. Too muddy. Too warm. Too gentle in the mid-treble.
    2. HD600 is better for gaming than K701 for gaming for the reasons others have mentioned.
    3. A neutral low-bass distortion headphone with head-tracking would be the ultimate for gaming.
     
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