Health Advices and Longevity

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  1. Riotvan

    Riotvan Snoofer in the Woofer

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    Yep the Himalayan salt is what i use as well, didn't know about the iodized salt though. I also try to avoid seasalt due to microplastic particles.
     
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  3. Thad E Ginathom

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    There are certainly times when one may need more salt. But mostly, I agree with @Jerry that it is there in the food we eat anyway. Maybe my bowl of crisps is just enough extra for the sweaty tropical climate in which I live!

    I am very dubious about one sort of salt being better or worse than any other. It's sodium chloride, right? Plus or minus some other stuff that might make it black, pink, or green-striped: same stuff.
     
  4. drgumbybrain

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    I was reading the history of sugar, and how humanity used it in the past. You see clearly that our ancestors used sugar in parties, celebrations, etc. I don’t remember when it became a daily basis use. If we use alcohol everyday 3 times a day, we can see the danger. Sugar it’s more discrete.... like nicotine in cigarettes.... but the problem is there
     
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    Not disagreeing on the dangers of sugar...or nicotine or caffeine or bitcoin for that matter. But some perspective is needed. First, virtually everything is bioactive in one way or another. It’s naïve to say “X” is bad then avoid it while ignoring the rest of your dietary alphabet. Second, one should not get too excited over single studies. Even if the study is 100% right (which they rarely are), it is never the whole picture. Science’s understanding of human metabolism, endocrinology, and gut microbiota is truly piss poor. I’ll add here that detecting metabolites of sucralose doesn’t worry me per se. I do think there is evidence of gross overconsumption of sugar and deleterious heath effects, but tea, coffee, chocolate, wine, beer, meat, refined carbohydrates, dairy, etc all have their villainous effects too.
     
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  6. drgumbybrain

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    I have cited 01 article. But take a look in PubMed. There are more than 40 just in 2016-2018.
    And we are talking about a specific component sucralose.
    Sucralose is a synthetic organochlorine sweetener (OC) that is a common ingredient in the world's food supply. Sucralose interacts with chemosensors in the alimentary tract that play a role in sweet taste sensation and hormone secretion. In rats, sucralose ingestion was shown to increase the expression of the efflux transporter P-glycoprotein (P-gp) and two cytochrome P-450 (CYP) isozymes in the intestine. P-gp and CYP are key components of the presystemic detoxification system involved in first-pass drug metabolism. The effect of sucralose on first-pass drug metabolism in humans, however, has not yet been determined. In rats, sucralose alters the microbial composition in the gastrointestinal tract (GIT), with relatively greater reduction in beneficial bacteria. Although early studies asserted that sucralose passes through the GIT unchanged, subsequent analysis suggested that some of the ingested sweetener is metabolized in the GIT, as indicated by multiple peaks found in thin-layer radiochromatographic profiles of methanolic fecal extracts after oral sucralose administration. The identity and safety profile of these putative sucralose metabolites are not known at this time. Sucralose and one of its hydrolysis products were found to be mutagenic at elevated concentrations in several testing methods. Cooking with sucralose at high temperatures was reported to generate chloropropanols, a potentially toxic class of compounds. Both human and rodent studies demonstrated that sucralose may alter glucose, insulin, and glucagon-like peptide 1 (GLP-1) levels. Taken together, these findings indicate that sucralose is not a biologically inert compound
     
  7. Ardacer

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    Yeah please try not to avoid iodized salt. Your thyroid gland will be grateful.
     
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    Point of clarity: I honestly don’t understand what you’re trying to say here. Can you rephrase?
     
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    Well, people eat too few iodine rich foods nowadays (seafood, eggs, etc.). In the past, it resulted in a lot of goiter and endemic retardation (thyroid gland needs iodine to function properly, and that influences a lot in your metabolism). Then some bright minds thought to add iodine to salt to fix the problem. And it did.

    That's about it. I see no pitfalls, just benefits, simmilar to vaccinations. Why some people are against it is beyond me.
     
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    I am in the camp with @ButtUglyJeff - natural food does not contain enough salt for someone pretty active. For the vast majority of people, it's not an issue because so much is added in packaged or heat-n-serve or restaurant, etc. food. If you avoid all that and mostly eat meals you prepared yourself from raw ingredients, you probably need to add salt. This is exacerbated if you sweat more than average, either from a job, training, exercise, whatever; you need more salt since it's lost in sweat (varies by person).

    This has always been true, it's why salt was such a valuable commodity in pre-industrial times. Worth your salt, etc. If I don't stay on top of it, I can start to feel pretty tired.
     
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    Useful video on the topic of salt.

    tl;dr- somewhere between 4-6g per day is ideal. Any less or more seems to lower your long term health prospects, with eating too little salt actually having a bigger affect than eating too much. You can skip to about the 8:40 mark in the video to get to the neato chart of salt intake and (un)health.
     
  12. Prydz

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    I'd like to "invite" those in here who has backpain, specifically lower back pain, to do a little movement exercise. Its very simple! Lay on your back with your knees close together, and in a 90 degree bendish.
    You probably need to have your toes against something to not slide out/loose knee angle.
    Then sway your knees slowly from side to side (atleast 45 degrees) for 5 minutes, or more, every day.

    Why do this exercise? Well... Often people who have backpain is told to move, walk, stretch, lift weights and so on. However, many seem to forget that... you dont really rotate your spine alot, especially not the lumbar spine. And thats the point of this exercise.

    Learned it from my manuel therapist!
     
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    fyi, found this today after dozing off watching pbs last night and watching Dr. Fuhrman doing his pitch.

    I like this guy (Dr. Gregor) Podcasts, funny guy and he actually reads a ton of literature.

    Found him doing a search on Lectin and beans, great straight talk, yea you can eat your beans. I'ts ok as long as they are cooked, great reference to how a whole bunch of folks got sick by watching a tv recipe.. So much BS on the web. His Ted Talk podcast archive was cool as well. May have to ditch a bunch of meat, haha.

    https://nutritionfacts.org
     
  14. drgumbybrain

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    Im done with this s***.

    Artificial Sweeteners Have Toxic Effects on Gut Bacteria


    FDA-approved artificial sweeteners and sport supplements were found to be toxic to digestive gut microbes, according to a new paper published

    The collaborative study indicated relative toxicity of six artificial sweeteners (aspartame, sucralose, saccharine, neotame, advantame, and acesulfame potassium-k) and 10 sport supplements containing these artificial sweeteners. The bacteria found in the digestive system became toxic when exposed to concentrations of only one mg./ml. of the artificial sweeteners.
    “We modified bioluminescent E. coli bacteria, which luminesce when they detect toxicants and act as a sensing model representative of the complex microbial system,” says Prof. Ariel Kushmaro, John A. Ungar Chair in Biotechnology in the Avram and Stella Goldstein-Goren Department of Biotechnology Engineering, and member of the Ilse Katz Institute for Nanoscale Science and Technology and the National Institute for Biotechnology in the Negev. “This is further evidence that consumption of artificial sweeteners adversely affects gut microbial activity which can cause a wide range of health issues.”
    Artificial sweeteners are used in countless food products and soft drinks with reduced sugar content. Many people consume this added ingredient without their knowledge. Moreover, artificial sweeteners have been identified as emerging environmental pollutants, and can be found in drinking and surface water, and groundwater aquifers.

    complete paper
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/d8xhuvfqkoxnj9i/molecules-23-02454.pdf?dl=0
     
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    yup key word artificial = bad.

    So is natural when they mod the eff out of it to make it something it was not in nature.

    And oh, yea ,sugar is the devil unless part of a whole food, like fruit. Restraint is tough but good.
     
  16. purr1n

    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    So getting a second opinion here because Internet opinions are fun and entertaining. As many of you know, I ended up with a case of Valley Fever (caused by fungal spores) in August, and while I was recovering, I ended up with a bacterial infection in my lungs in September. I was actually able to get the slices of the CT scans and the lower lobes of both lungs looked pretty bad. Lots of nodules (I think that's what you docs call them ) where the areas are almost opaque.

    In addition to the pulmonologist who was already treating my Valley Fever, the hospital called in an infectious disease expert. The initial concern was the the antifungal meds were not working, but that was ruled out after many tests and my positive response to IV antibiotics.

    I ended up staying a week in the hospital this time around, probably two days more than I felt I needed to. The doctors wanted to make sure there was no fever for several days.

    They did put in a PICC line and prescribed me daily IV antibiotics for four weeks. The concern from the infectious disease doctor was that I was in danger of a lung abscess (dead and decaying tissue in the lungs being a magnet for bacteria), so he wanted to treat my situation as if it were a lung abscess.

    Overkill?
     
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    Without all that, it might have been you that got overkilled. It's pretty damned scary either way, but I'd vote for the antibiotics.
     
  18. drgumbybrain

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    Hi Marv. I don’t think it is overkill. Fungal infection are very hard to treat because doctors have fewer drugs, the fungus reproduces very slowly and have different tissue virulence. I have seen some people here in Brasil using anti fungal medication for 24 months, with no symptoms, but it was needed to never have the fungal infection again. A real big Abscess collection (if I remember my Med student days, above 2 inch) means that the medication cannot reach the fungal infection so, in those cases an open chest or ribs surgery it’s sometimes needed. In this manner few weeks with IV drugs for me it’s no overkill. I do not have any good knowledge about valley fever. But I’m praying for your good health
     
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    Hey, same here. I got massive dizziness every other time I used to eat, and I used to eat like 5..6 times a day.
    So I went for the 16/8 fasting/eating routine several months ago. Best eating habit direction change I've ever made.
    Now it's 2 meals a day on work days. Started eating 3 on weekends as I started to fade away, damned pants didn't hold on.
    Adding in a lot of physical activity lately (yearly deforestation and firewood making time) I need to ram down 1700..1800 kcal at once. Without olive oil, eggs and fatty pork I couldn't manage.
    100% ketogenic stuff feels a bit too restrictive, food diversity here is not the greatest, what's here is good quality, though.
     
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    @purr1n I'm no doctor but here in northern Europe we do get good medical care but there's no way in hell you're staying a week in the hospital unless you're in constant need of medical attention. They tend to be pretty pragmatic so I would guess to start off with you'd get blood-works and a nice solid dose of antibiotics. If that doesn't take care of the problem in 2 weeks or so you'd probably get a different set of antibiotics. And if THAT doesn't cure you now they're getting interested so I'm guessing x-ray, CT scan, tissue samples and maybe tailored antibiotics. I think a big differences between the US way of doing things, and the EU way of doing things, is that the US likes to hit things with the big sledgehammer right away while the EU takes a much more measured wait and see approach. I'm sure billing factors into it at some point along the way... :p

    Me myself I'm doing another "clean living" stretch. No alcohol, no sugar, no "diet stuff", low-carb, high-protein, high-fiber and if it's natural fat I'll take it. Add to that exercise every two days or so, cycling and long walks mostly. Keeping two vices... plain coffee and tea. :D

    One week down, at least one more two go. Might stretch it out to a whole month, haven't decided yet. When you get into the right mindset and on the right diet it's really no effort at all but we'll see. I don't like to pressure myself and set absolute limits, it's more of a general direction.

    Think of it as early preparation for the x-mas onslaught... :eek:

    P.S. Beans are amazing and I love kidney beans. A nice meaty stew with kidney beans and served with salad is the business. Lots of protein and fiber, keeps you full for a long time and not too expensive.
     
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