High End (and hifideluxe) 2019

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    So High End started today and as always I will be going the next three days. Anyone else going? Feel free to PM me so we can meet up.

    Some of the things I'm interested in:
    • They set up a room with 5k€ systems to show off a high bang for your buck option. Defnitely looking forward to hearing what they achieved without DIY. I don't have high expectations, though.
    • Voxativ already demoed their new Class AB + DSP 5" driver system this winter and I think they will have a three way speaker this year. Haven't heard either, so it's going to be interesting.
    • New Audio Physic speakers, yet again. Not sure how good they will be.
    • New affordable Canton speakers, but I didn't like their other afforadble speakers, so I don't have high hopes.
    • New Dynaudio speakers.
    • Bunch of new Marten speakers, yet again.
    Of course there's also a lot of stuff that I haven't read about and discovering new stuff is always the second best part (after discovering new music).


    hifideluxe:
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    2016 thread: https://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/munich-high-end-2016.2001/
    2017 thread: https://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/high-end-2017.4408/
    2018 thread: https://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/canjam-highend.5964/
     
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    @Serious, it would be nice if you can check the Lindemann Audio room. They are introducing the new Source streamer/dac/preamp/phono stage/headphone amp. That is if it is of any interest to you of course. Enjoy the show.
     
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    I went to the hifideluxe show today for a couple hours and managed to listen to all the rooms for at least a couple minutes each. What stood out was that this year actually no room stood out to me as outright bad or very good. They were all different levels of mediocre.

    I took a pic with my phone in every room, which was a bit tricky since a lot of the rooms were really dark with closed curtains and almost no lights on. I definitely prefer listening in the dark though, so it makes sense. For those interested, here's the imgur album:
    https://imgur.com/a/qQBBXyi

    What impressed me the most was the TotalDAC room with the Magico speakers, not because it sounded good, but because it managed to sound acceptable despite using Magico speakers. I think these new Magico speakers are a lot better than the older ones like the Q7 and the even older ones. These didn't sound bright as shit.
    Sadly none of the big woofer speakers were well integrated or cohesive enough and I generally ended up more impressed by smaller speakers. I have no idea what La Rosita were thinking as their La Montespan speaker was one of my favorites at the show and the newer, bigger model just plain sucks. The AER in the huge circular baffle was pretty good and it wasn't even broken this year. The Knif Raumann room was good overall aside from the laughable bass quality and diffuse imaging (despite completely covering both side walls with absorbers), but it's also close to 100k. The Fyne speakers are weird. They can sound pretty good on the right tracks and stab your eardrums with sibilance on the next.
    I also quickly tried the Aeon (open and closed). The closed has a weird midrange coloration that I couldn't get over, but the open one actually sounds quite neutral. Sadly I thought it pretty much didn't have any imaging precision whatsoever.
     
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    Great pics, thanks for those! Crazy to hear that nothing really stood out - bad rooms I suppose.
     
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    Fantastic photos! I don't envy the guys trying to make those systems sound good in hotel rooms.
     
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    Great photos , thank you for your effort.
     
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    So the first two (and most important) days of High End are now over. I updated my hifideluxe imgur album with some better pics and a few quick comments. As far as High End goes, not much changed compared to last year, except that the vintage Silbatone/Western Electric room sounded even better this year. Really makes you wonder how far we've come in the last 90 years.

    Otherwise interesting stuff from PAP, Marten, Voxativ (sadly no three way), Supravox, SB Acoustics and I finally got to listen to the Aries Cerat Symphonia speakers in their room. More tomorrow.
     
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    @Serious, If I remember right, your city also has a big pro/studio show. Do you go to that one?
     
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    @Thad E Ginathom I'm not sure which one you're talking about, so no... I don't go to that one.
    As far as headphones go, it wasn't too interesting this year. Still some new things.

    Audeze
    I already wrote a bit about the Audeze LCD-GX here. I think it's solid and I don't think the single sided magnets have as many downsides as one would expect. Will be interesting to see if distortion is higher in the measurements like it was the case with the HFM phones.


    Warwick
    Warwick showed off their Aperio and I thought it wasn't bad at all. The whole headphone construction is improved a lot compared to the Sonoma Model One including much more solid, gold plated stators. The DAC/AMP also seems to be way better and they're not using any EQ anymore, which to me was a big plus. The midrange tone no longer made me cringe and bass isn't as boomy anymore, but is much better controlled. The stage is pretty expansive, but can feel a bit flat and lacking in depth layering. Comfort is much better with much more managable clamping pressure. More like a well worn in HD600, but with leather pads. It still feels limited in both macro and microdynamics and I had to max out the volume with Riders On The Storm to get a good listening level on the amp, so maximum volume level can be limited by the amp based on the track. This also means I couldn't really judge if it still distorts at higher levels. What was the most annoying was that the treble, while more linear than the Sonoma Model One, was a bit splashy and too bright in general. Bass extension also seemed to be lacking a bit, but I didn't care much. The lack of bass impact was much more annoying.
    I thought it might be a nice option for those looking for a relatively neutral estat option as long as you can deal with some brightness. Until I found out that it costs 20k. Fuck that. Fuck you Warwick Acoustics.


    HFM
    Jade 2:
    According to Fang it's supposed to be more reliable and have better bass extension and a bigger stage. I thought it sounded quite similar to how I remember the Jade, although I am assuming that their amp is bad and the sound will improve with a third party amp. It was still a bit bright and sibilant, but I much preferred it to both the Shangri-La headphones. Bass extension still seemed to be lacking, as well as most bass impact (not as bad as the Shangri-La though). Midrange seemed to be relatively close to neutral, but lower mids seemed boosted at times. It still sounds a bit too soft despite the sibilance. I also thought that there was a dip in the treble somewhere, which made some tracks too mellow sounding. Treble could definitely bet better. The dip is also why I felt that some people might think that the Shangri-La Jr is the more impressive sounding headphone from a quick listen (it doesn't have the treble dip), but I couldn't really find anything it did better than the Jade 2. The imaging was a bit disappointing, sounding very diffuse. It's possible the polarity is reversed, but it seemed consistent on all tracks. Still, if it wasn't for the splashy treble and sibilance it wouldn't too bad of a deal for an estat in its price range. I'd take the 007/009 over it, but it's not really meant to compete with them anyway. I think the Jade is also the better headphone overall, although Fang told me they will get better with break in. The drivers are large so I think you can no longer use the HE90 pads which was a big win with the original Jades and the headband is still the same shitty non-swivel design. I find it pretty uncomfortable, but I was able ot get a seal with it.

    TWS600 Bluetooth in-ears:
    Now I didn't expect this at all. Fang told me since I liked the RE272 I should give them a shot. It took forever for me to find tips with which I could get a seal in both ears. I ended up using the clear biflange tips I use on my RE272s and Fang even gave me a new pair of tips for free since I lost mine and had to buy a similar pair on aliexpress which didn't sound quite as good. Thanks Fang, been looking for these tips forever.
    Well, I thought these new bluetooth in-ears were pretty impressive. Tonality did remind me a bit of the RE272s, which is really the main win here. It doesn't have as big staging as the 272 and it doesn't resolve as well, but I think that's expected. Maximum volume seemed a bit limited, so you'll have to max the volume level on tracks with a lot of dynamic range. Like the 272 it can also be a bit shouty at times and some people might find it basslight, although I thought there was more of a U-shape in the midrange from 20Hz to 2kHz compared to the 272. Macro and especially microdynamics also seemed to be limited compared to the 272, but again... I expected as much. What really got me was the smooth treble and how good they sounded for a bluetooth in-ear. At $200 it seems priced fairly and I might consider getting a pair.


    Campfire Audio
    The Comet was way too bassy and thick for me to continue listening for more than 30 seconds. The bass intrudes into the mids so much that it's annoying even with solo instruments or vocals where there's no bass.

    The IO isn't too bad if you like a bassy signature. Although I don't think the technicalities are as good as the good TWFK in-ears. I wish someone like Campfire would rerelease a small TWFK in-ear with good build quality and a tuning like the Brainwavz B2. That's what I had hoped the Q-Jays would be, but they're not it. The IO definitely didn't scale much between going from just my Galaxy S8 to using the GO2A Inf.

    I also briefly tried the Solaris again. Boy are they sensitive and these were also burnt in well. I thought they sounded a lot better than when I first heard them when they were brand new. Impressions here. Compared to back then they sound smoother, more cohesive and with a bigger staging. They also scaled quite a bit from my GO2A. I can now see why Marv liked them so much, although they're still not my cup of tea: Too bassy.


    HEDD
    I tried the HEDDphones briefly, but they only had a Fiio DAP for me to try them with and since they were terminated with 2.5mm TRRS with no adapter on hand I couldn't try them with my GO2A. They were also out in the noisy hall and didn't isolate much, so I can't say too much. I thought the midrange was close to neutral and the overall tonality a bit U-shaped. Treble has that crispy sandpaper AMT sound that I'm not a fan of, but some people like it. Imaging didn't seem to be the best and the the stage was pretty small. Macrodynamics seemed pretty limited, but they only had the Fiio. Comfort seemed okay for a while, but I imagine it would get bad pretty quickly. As is the weight was over 700g. They told me they're trying to shave off as much as possible while finalizing the design, but the driver itself is pretty heavy, so I'm not sure what they can achieve. The rep even mentioned changing the driver design in order to lower the weight, so I'm sure the sound will change until it's a final product. Price is expected around 1600€ IIRC.
    Unfortunately I haven't yet heard the RAAL headphones or the MySphere. It'd be interesting to see how they compare.


    That's pretty much it as far as headphones go. I also tried some boutique in-ears that I liked, but they were 3k€. I tried the Quad headphones and hated them, but I tried them on a bad setup with velour pads. Negura tells me they require the leather pads and a good rig to sound good, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. I also heard the Abyss Phi TC, but to be honest I would need a familiar rig and probably a direct comparison to really tell the difference between it and the regular Abyss Phi. Both are good. Also heard Audeze LCD4 again and this time also the MX4 and LCD4Z. They're not bad, but they're trying to do something Audezes don't excel at and I don't like it. I'd prefer them to keep their impact and body at the expense of resolution as I'd just use them as a secondary headphone than trying to make an Audeze my primary headphone anyway.

    Focal
    I thought the Stellia was pretty good: Quite neutral midrange, but with a slightly smaller stage than the Utopia. A bit warmer and I preferred them with my glasses on to break the seal a bit. Not only lowers the bass, but also seems to help push the treble forward a bit more. Treble on the Stellia was pretty smooth. I thought the midrange on the Stellia was more neutral than the Utopia even, so that's a big plus. These are probably the best closed headphones I've heard and isolation is not bad and leakage isn't too terrible, either.
    I didn't like the Elegia with the stock pads at all. The midrange just wasn't even. Suckout in the lower midrange that made me think that I was not getting a good seal, but even without glasses and pressing on the cups it was still not good. With the Stellia pads it sounded pretty good. A bit leaner than the Stellia and I thought it was better without my glasses on (contrary to the Stellia), but it was a bit rougher in the treble. Not really a surprise given that it's pretty much like the Elear with Utopia pads vs the Utopia.
    I also tried the Clear and it's solid. Neutral, a bit smoother than the Elear. A bit bassier than I'd like. Nothing really wrong with it, but I prefered the Utopia by quite a bit.

    EDIT: Forgot a thing. Updating this post instead so the next posts will be dedicated to speakers.
     
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    Imgur album with pics of some of the rooms that I will update with more pics: https://imgur.com/a/OA3FBp6

    Silbatone/Western Electric
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    This one was awesome this year. Better than I remember it from 2012 until now. Especially last year it wasn't that great, but this year it was probably my favorite room overall. No, it doesn't sound neutral and it also doesn't have the most precise imaging. There seems to be some resonances from the horns in addition to the usual diffraction. Note that I only heard the big horn system, not the small brown horns in the center and I also didn't get to hear it with their DAC, only vinyl. But what it did well it did very well: Awesome microdynamics, probably the best I've heard. Great macrodynamics. Effortless and fast sound. Surprisingly neutral tonality if you sit in the right spot. It shouldn't be able to sound this good.


    I also listened to all the 15 speaker systems under the "sounds clever" moniker which were the systems for less than 5000€ total. Unfortunately it seems you're screwed if you want good quality bass, but overall the one I liked most was this:
    LS50W
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    I knew the LS50W fixes most of what the LS50 does wrong for my tastes: They fixed the tonality, no more sizzle and shout. Coherency is better due to the DSP allowing almost perfect step response. Imaging was pretty good in this room despite not a lot of damping on the walls. Seems even better at imaging than the LS50s. The price to pay is that you can't use them in a good rig and they won't get more resolving.

    Tbc...
     
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    SBAF is my one remaining contact with the world of audio, a once-more-active interest that is dwindling with my hearing, so, although I remember reading stuff about an expo which made me wish I could go, I can't remember any more. Might even be part of this event you are reporting

    Thanks for the coverage :)
     
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    As you can see they had the big Quintets with the Voxativ AC4a Alnico + wood cones. They also had the new woofer design with the phase plug underneath the dust cap. I thought they sounded okay, but they definitely need a bigger room than this. In the first two rows the imaging gave me flashbacks to the horns me and @Muse Wanderer heard two years ago because the lower midrange and bass was just much larger in size than the higher frequencies. To my ears there was a hollowness in the mids that I couldn't quite put my fingers on. Seemed like a narrow suckout in the lower mids. Ze'ev told me it's the amps, but I think it changed in tone depending on my distance to the speakers and also the height of my head. I don't think it's the floor bounce that I heard, either. Otherwise they sounded warmer and also less resolving than Voxativ speakers which I attribute to the coils being slightly too high in value. They were still listenable on-axis which makes for a slightly warm sound overall. What disappointed me most was the bass. I don't think 4 woofers are needed or even beneficial for most listening levels. The voicing is a pretty bassy, but the bass is softer than I was expecting. It does have less of a paper coloration than my Beta 15As, though. I'm not sure how good these amps are, so maybe these were causing the softness. I can't really recommend them given what I heard. The Trios are likely better for most listening rooms. It's also a 2 way design, so the crossover is going to be weirder with the 4 woofers.

    Voxativ
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    Holger denied all claims when I asked him about a three way speaker that he mentioned in an interview 3 months ago. What they had in their room was the Hagen Absolut system, which is a DSP + 30W Class AB all in one system with included cables for 8k. Basically they EQ the bass way up to make the Hagen listenable, but I have to admit that it works. Made the small Hagen sound pretty full-bodied and with decent extension for most music. Bass quality is better than LS50s, but as you'd expect it also starts to fall apart at higher volume levels. Off-axis response is quite good, but it does get bright on-axis. Overall tonality is very close to neutral, maybe even a bit warm or U-shaped depending on how close to the wall they are and how far off-axis you listen. What impressed me the most was how smooth they sounded and how little they did wrong. For the most part they just sounded good and you could get lost in the music, unless of course you crank it up too much.
    I didn't listen to the Ampeggio Due much this year. They used the hybrid drivers with paper cones and a leather surround this year along with a new DAC driven by the old T211 amp. I thought it sounded worse than two years ago is all I will say and I'm still a fan of the regular Ampeggio.

    Zellaton
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    The Zellaton room had their Reference speakers this year instead of their Statements like last year and I prefer the Statements by quite a margin. I think the Reference sound lean and bright compared to the Statements and I don't like it. It's still my favorite multi-way room overall and does a good job of getting out of the way. Great three dimensional staging, not as incoherent as most others, but less coherent than the Statements. Good resolution, low driver coloration. Neutral bass, but not the last word in extension and low distortion. The good thing is the vertical off-axis response seems much better with this design. Standing up doesn't sound like a comb filter in the lower treble.

    Marten
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    I almost lost hope for Marten when I heard the Coltrane Momento 2 last year. I thought it sounded very incoherent with a suckout in the lower midrange and a bad lobing towards the floor. I thought this year's smaller Mingus Orchestra was a much better speaker overall. While the tonality is now definitely U-shaped, the lower midrange is no longer recessed. There's body and warmth and it makes it sound a lot less disjointed. The treble was still a bit bright, but with most songs it was fine. Imaging isn't perfect and the drivers do have their own coloration. Bass quality here was a lot worse than the PAP Quintet and it sounded pretty bloated and slow on some songs. Just doesn't sound effortless and can sound overwhelmed at times.
    Unfortunately I didn't like the smaller floorstander at all. Bright, peaky. Harsh. Treble was not well behaved. You'd be much better off buying the new Audio Physic Classic 35 or the Paradigm Persona 5F. Or even better: Buy used.
     
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    Thanks so much for the pictures and impressions, really appreciated!

    Re: SB Acoustics, what were your impressions of the black speaker? That mid-dome looks delicious
     
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    @msommers yep, and it isn't priced outrageously, either. Of the two speakers they demoed I preferred the small one with the midrange dome, so that's already pretty good. It sounded as if the midrange dome allowed for wide dispersion in the upper midrange. The imaging was good and it had good microdynamics. The macrodynamics seemed a bit limited and it didn't seem quite as resolving as the better speakers at the show, but I still thought it was promising. It was really smooth, like a large textile dome. The crossover they were using looked very DIY with parts just soldered together hanging off the back of the speaker at the height of the midrange driver. Not the highest quality parts, either. Probably a very new design, maybe they even tweaked it during the show. I only listened to them on saturday FWIW.
    I think it's only about 2.5", so I wouldn't expect it to go very low, but I'm still looking forward to what can be achieved with it in the future. Hopefully Troels will make a speaker with that driver.
     
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    I was interested in this room for a number of reasons, one of which being I've admired Thomas Mayer's work for a long time but have never been able to hear any of it. I've received feedback from 4-5 people now on this room, and nary one positive report. Other people familiar with his amps talk about the midrange like its second to none, with the overall extension and dynamics (particularly when the silver Lundahls are in play) being superb. But this room, for whatever reason, disappointed everyone I've spoken to. Were the 300b monoblocks in use while you were listening? It's hard to believe leanness or lack of midrange presence could be the result, but you're not the only one to say so. Odd.

    Pricing is pretty absurd on these, right? I've only heard good things sonically, though. I'm interested in hearing them for myself, not that I'd ever own a pair.

    CH Precision with these speakers seems gross to begin with. In fact, when has CH ever sounded good at any show? And BTW, do we know of any examples of an all-diamond/ceramic 3-way (or 4-way - what is this Mingus?) that sounds well-integrated with a 1st order crossover? I'm just wondering because I bet it's not too difficult to make these drivers sound awful.
     
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    @msommers: Well, they did use a Satori Be tweeter for that speaker, but I'm not sure it's the best synergy. A soft dome might be better suited. Probably a matter of synergy with the crossover parts, the rest of the system and personal preference, though.

    I think so, but I'm not entirely sure which amps were used. Do we know how the speakers sound?
    Pricing is pretty absurb with most of the systems at High End, though. I'd say compared to what's out there they're not overly overpriced. Handbuilt drivers that you won't get on any other speakers and a couple very expensive crossover parts. Those amps seem way overpriced, but they might also be very good.
    Can't say anything about CH Precision, but these seemed to be one of the most coherent Martens with 1st order crossover I've heard. I guess something with the 17cm midrange + C90 + C30/D30 (possibly with a DIY waveguide) could work well.

    Going to update with another post about the other rooms in the imgur album later today. The Paradigm and Audio Physic rooms were solid and not too overpriced.
     
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    I was mainly interested in the Classic 35, so I was pretty disappointed that they just had the Midex set up all the time. When I finally saw someone rolling the Midex around the show floor on a cart Sunday afternoon I knew they must've just set up the Classic 35 and ran to the Audio Physic room.
    Tonally it is similar to the Midex, but what disappointed me most was that the treble was even less smooth. I'm sure the hardness in the treble gets to you over time. Otherwise I thought it was pretty clear and resolving, especially considering the price. It seemed less resolving than the Midex and also seemed to have worse imaging with less depth. I also thought the treble was a bit closer in the stage than the midrange so the voice was further back in the stage than the sibilance. I'm not sure the Midex did this as much. Midrange was a bit rough in terms of tonal balance, but it was still neutral overall. In this room the bass was pretty disjointed from the rest of the FR and it sounded more like a subwoofer turned up too high instead of being cohesive and natural. Overall I still liked it, it resolves and images very well considering its price. It sounds similar to the Midex, but is a lot cheaper. My guess is that they mainly cheaped out on the crossover parts and drivers.

    Paradigm
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    They demoed their larger Persona 7F speakers at High End. Like the 5F that I heard at the Deutsche Hifi-Tage they were still a bit bright and harsh, but again I feel these are one of the most resolving and one of the most transparent speakers in their price range. Like with the Audio Physic the coherency and imaging could be better and I'm sure the crossover plays a role here. The 7F isn't really comparable with the Classic 35 as it's a much bigger and more expensive speaker and the bass quality is better better with the Paradigm. Overall I think the Audio Physic speakers are more natural sounding than the Paradigms, but neither are really natural.

    Supravox
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    They had a small room in the halls with four speakers, three of which were set on the right wall. I didn't like those, but the OBs pictured here were really nice. The midrange driver was the Alnico magnet variant of the 165 driver. Now the amps driving these are really expensive again, but these just struck me as very natural with great microdynamics. Resolution didn't seem to be top tier and the integration with the tweeter wasn't perfect (a bit bright for my tastes), but it kept me involved and it didn't make me want to leave the room immediately. I'm sure in a better room these could sound even better. Particularly the bass extension becomes very limited when putting OBs so close to the rear wall, although these small drivers won't be able to bring thunderous bass in an OB anyway.

    Aries Cerat
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    I was really looking forward to listening to these ever since I read about their Symphonia speakers. I think they were used with their horn subwoofers in this room, too. When I first listened to them I was pretty disappointed. The first thing I realized when I entered the room was that the off-axis response was pretty screwy, which I expected. Unless you sit at the right spot they'll sound really colored. Tonal balance was pretty good in the sweet spot and they have a very direct and uncompressed sound. Great micro- and macrodynamics. The bass from the BLH was a bit uneven as it usually is, but this was one of the better BLHs I heard. Flaring the horns really helps with eliminating horn colorations and you really don't hear the horn coloration at all. What really disappointed me most is that I thought they would be more resolving. They seemed to smooth over some of the fine details a bit. Not as much as most speakers, but not perfect, either. Maybe it's that RAAL ribbon.

    Living Voice
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    I only heard the Vox Palladian. I wish it was a bit more coherent and a bit less colored. If it was this would be one of the best sounding rooms at the show: Very lively and dynamic with good bite and clarity. Obviously horns like these won't have the best imaging and they didn't. The Aries Cerat room had better imaging for me.

    Göbel
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    They had a smaller version of their TOTL speaker they were demonstrating last year and I thought it was pretty good overall. I like these traditional high efficiency speakers much more than their bending wave stuff. This was also one of the more expensive rooms at the show and they were playing from the Kronos Pro with the Kronos phono preamp. Smoother than other rooms and with good three-dimensionality and body, but with images that were a little unstable vertically. They seemed to have more room problems in the lower midrange and bass than other speakers. This was also one of the more resolving rooms, I never heard much information from their bending wave stuff, but these seem good in that regard.

    For the rest of the rooms I'll add some quick comments to my album.
     
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  19. Thad E Ginathom

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    @Serious, sorry, dislocated brain cell. I was thinkng of Musikmesse, Frankfurt. Anyway, got that brain cell tidied away now.
     
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