Home theater and multi-channel

Discussion in 'Speakers' started by Cspirou, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. purr1n

    purr1n Finding his inner redneck

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    They are all shit. For $500, you will get the shit version of HDAM. For $2000, it will be OK, but a Vidar as an output stage will still beat it.
     
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    My experience has been with that the Marantz receivers are slightly warmer and the Denon a bit cooler in tone. In the last few years this difference has gotten a lot smaller. In the few I have tested. Yamaha or Onkyo could also be alternatives. I would rather look at the room correction version and buy the amp that has the best one.
     
  3. Riotvan

    Riotvan Got lost for three weeks at Delft City Hall

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    I like Pioneer for AV receivers, should be able to get a good deal on one. Their room correction is pretty decent and configurable as well.
     
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    The higher end Marantz processors are excellent (7703 and 8802A), but yes the lower end integrated units are pretty awful.
     
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    At your price range I tend to recommend Yamaha as their refurbed units on accessories4less.com are quite good.
     
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    Agreed. The problem with $500 receivers is that the manufacturers are more concerned about making sure that all the spec boxes are ticked when you view the reciever on the best buy etc. site (Atmos, 4K upscaling, # of inputs, licensed room correction etc.). After that there is only so much that they can allocate to sound quality. You end up with a piece of equipment with more features than you are likely to ever need or use (including about a dozen surround modes) but sub standard sound.

    I'm a huge fan of Anthem receivers. For me the MRX720 is a no nonsense AVR that gives me everything I could ever want, with nothing I don't really need. There is no video processing or upscaling but you get decent AKM Dacs and a conservatively spec'd power. The icing on the cake is the amazing ARC room correction. I know this is far more than you'd want to spend but in the context of SBAF the recommendation to avoid those jack of all trades $500 AVRs is a valid one. The point of diminishing returns is much higher than $500 I'm afraid.
     
  7. fraggler

    fraggler A Happy & Busy Life

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    Thanks for the suggestions. I am fully aware that at my budget, everything is shit. I was just wondering if there were some that were neat little logs instead of a soupy mess. I don't need or expect anything near reference quality, just some simple surround processing and input switching to enhance my movies and games. For careful listening, I have my headphone and office setup. Will check out Accessories4less when the time comes. Thanks again, folks.
     
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    With that being the case I'd recommend Yamaha. Sure YPAO is not as effective as Audessey but you don't have the license fees. My experience with Yamaha's PEQ modes is that "through" can be just a bit bright with harsher speakers and the "natural" setting is just warm enough to offset the brightness. Your speakers are laid back so I'd suggest Yamaha run in "pure direct" mode for 2 channel content and "through" for multi channel will work well for you. The RXV683 on special would be what I'd aim for.
     
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  9. crazychile

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    I just bought a Denon AVRX-4300H a couple of weeks ago on closeout. I watch a lot of movies but have never had much of a HT system. I currently run it 3 channel with non-optimal speaker placement until I can convince the wife I should put the TV above the fireplace and set up the speakers properly. I wasn't expecting much but it actually sounds pretty decent. This is with 20 year old B&W bookshelf speakers and a center channel cobbled together with some old Radio Shack speakers that had the Linaeum tweeter. $50 cheapass Sony Blu-ray. Previously the variable out just ran into an old Adcom amp and the B&Ws. The Denon sounds better but not much of a shock.

    Most of the AV receivers today arent spec'd for 4 ohm speakers. Denon and Marantz are the few exceptions. I tried a Yamaha a few years ago but it sounded like ass. Onkyo was tempting but I still read that they have reliability issues.
     
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  10. Cspirou

    Cspirou They call me Sparky

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    I dont know what equipment you have but if you are anything like other audiophiles you might have a collection of amps that are collecting dust. If thats the case I would consider taking the amps out of retirement and putting your money towards a 7.1 preamp/processor. You can get an Oppo for $550 and it has 7.1 analog outputs. Or the Emotiva MC-700 which is $600.
     
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    I probably built a 2.1 system with less than $500 if your willing to look used. I just bought a high end Denon AV-3805 7.1 receiver, with over 100 watts x 2 for $150. It does not have HDMI, but what else are Logitech remotes for?

    The KEF C75 Speakers I got used for $175. 10" sealed sub I picked up for $100.

    I say probably because I did replace parts on the KEF's and picked up a matching sub for $100. All used.

    I had an 5.1 Onkyo, but it was only 65 watts. The Denon really gets the KEF's going. It almost sounds brighter than the Onkyo, but I think I am just picking up more details. The Denon still has some power on the bottom end. Plus, it has line outs if I want to bypass the amp for an external.

    My only complaint is that it does not have stereo sub output.

    Honestly, I love my setup for movies or music. I don't see why there is or should be a difference. However, small satellite speakers will pass for movies, but not so great for music. I have not found a speaker or setup the other way around.
     
  12. Cspirou

    Cspirou They call me Sparky

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    For some reason my uncle has a TV with RCA inputs but no analog outputs or digital out. The sound is quite bad and I just want to add some external speakers so speech is legible. It has a USB port and I tried my Modi 1, but it wasn't recognized.

    So I'm looking for a device that can take HDMI in and has an HDMI out and either analog or spdif output. Just something really cheap that gets the job done. If anyone knows such a device, let me know.
     
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    Sounds like an "hdmi switcher with audio output" or an "hdmi de-embedder" is what you need. Monoprice sells one for about $50. I've also seen some on amazon. On my phone otherwise I'd post a link.
     
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    Cspirou They call me Sparky

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    Thanks, ill check the Monoprice one. I've nameless HDMI devices on Amazon before and got burned
     
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    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06ZYN46VK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_f8qDAbD9M9QTF

    There monoprice unit may be better? I didn't look into it.

    https://www.monoprice.com/search/index?keyword=hdmi audio extractor

    Edit - https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=24278

    Looks like that's the one I'd go with.
     
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    Tv is tv not music in my house, so constantly trying to do more with less on the TV front. My stereo speakers are fantastic and will never be hooked up to the tv.

    My latest TV speakers are some nice Kef Q100s on stands with a simple Onkyo A-9010 (not HT) Integrated 40watts or so. Also has a passable built in dac. Great intelligibility and the amp has remote mute for killing pesky commercials that are too dang loud.

    Total cost for tv setup of amp,speakers and stands $360 combo of new and used.
     
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