JRiver Media Center Discussion

Discussion in 'Computer Audiophile: Software, Configs, Tools' started by GoodEnoughGear, Oct 16, 2020.

  1. Azteca

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    HDCD is a whole 'nother thing that is weird and can be done offline (outside of JRMC) to let you hear what's going on.

    I'm not even on here that much these days and I'm generally your Friendly Neighborhood Midwesterner, but as a member in the Before Times, when Changstar still lived, I hereby call for b0dhi to shut the fuck up unless you have something clear and concise to say. Yes, they sell an annual license. You can upgrade or, crucially, not upgrade at your leisure. If they only add something you like every three years, then upgrade every three years. Too cheap to do that? Well, what do you want? They are building a do-everything audio and video application. The number of use cases is limitless. As a software engineer, I'd think you'd appreciate the ridiculous scope of what they're doing and adjust your expectations for a small company accordingly. I don't use JRMC as my central music library anymore but damn if it isn't useful. I've also used their forum over the years when I had a question or wanted to advocate for a particular feature and "toxic" and "cult-like" are not how I would describe it. Are the devs resistant to feedback or feature requests that require hundreds of hours of labor? I'm sure they are. Are they so incompetent they clip all audio at the first stage of the signal chain? No. I really don't think so. JRMC has been used by thousands of anal-retentive audio nerds for years, including people like Archimago who love to measure and chart everything. The burden of proof is on you for that sort of claim.
     
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    How is VST 2 and 3 64 bit support? I want to use my own dither plugins that I know are good.
     
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    Not sure what flavor VST the ReaEQ, Reapers EQ module is but it seems to work properly on 64 bit.
     
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    stop being a fucking retard. systems engineer does not mean you know shit about dsp programming. many wannabes have tried at the dsp game and making stuff on modern computers worse than the 1990s efforts from sony oxford and waves. meanwhile kush succeeded while high as a kite.

    jriver is the only media player that can achieve a daw output sound quality with a good third party dither plugin that will cost you 20-50 dollars or about 100-200 if it's included in a limiter. all of the others, including the "BASS AUDIO" library ones are low detail crap with truncation issues.

    You clearly have no idea what you are talking with regards to gain staging. Jriver operates at 64-bit float and you called a trim or a pad a "pre-amp."

    Floating point is insane. you can only clip externally running out to plugins or the outputs. See the Kenny Goia reaper gainstaging video. the cockos plugs are all 64-bit float too and he clips them over a hundred db and it just doesn't matter because they're not analog modeled or anything.
     
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    @Psalmanazar, give me a couple well regarded dither plug in recommendations, will ya?
     
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    Airwindows is one step from an OnlyFans page.
     
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    If you use good dither, set it to the bit depth of your dac driver, high dither, no noise shaping, and auto blank on. Get it authorized to use it offline too.
     
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    Is this just for burning media, or for general playback sound quality?
     
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    General playback quality. Dither prevents truncation distortion and who knows how good Jriver stock dither is. It’s probably ass. Turn it off and add a VST 2 plugin of Goodhertz Good Dither, PSP X-Dither, Izotope Ozone, or Sonnox Oxford Limiter to the bit level of whatever your dac/interface driver if it’s not floating point. Goodhertz Good Dither is 12 dollars until tomorrow.

    Even on Mac, Coreaudio is 32-bit float and does not dither on truncation to fixed point so you need to dither to prevent distortion so you need to add the dither beforehand and keep the volume at 100%. You need to dither whenever there is a truncation happening and you can’t dither floating point to floating point, where the distortion is infinitesimal, because because you can’t dither away the mantissa of scientific notation. Yes you must dither 64 or 32 bit floating point pcm to 24-bit fixed point to prevent distortion regardless of what internet people say.
     
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    Edit; Also turned resource scheduling back to primary. A probable improvement but I also disabled com and serial ports so not sure which gave the slight benefit. This Cakewalk engineer makes sense.

    http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/1239881
     
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    Dang when I tried to edit my post above I blew out the original text.

    The tweak which many of you already have implemented is to disable the Intel Audio, Realtek Audio, HD Audio and the like in Control Panel> device manager>Sound,video gaming controlers. Just keep your external dac or sound card active.

    Biggest audible improvement for a computer setting tweak I have done. Not just a change in sound but improvement. Better Dynamics, blacker background, more background detail, reverb trails, decay, etc.
     
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    I wish JRiver would implement an interface for streaming music services. I’ve read their blog and understand their position on it. Too bad they aren’t listening to their customers, who get shut down for even mentioning it. I will end up switching to Roon bloatware because 75% of my listening is now from streaming services. JRiver is rapidly becoming irrelevant for me.
     
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    Are you trying to stream Tidal or the like to other renderers? Roon is a pretty pricey solution for multi room streaming, although perhaps the DLNA alternatives are crap.

    I do like that I can run Tidal through JRiver to take advantage of the EQ VST it supports to correct room eq and it works nicely.
     
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    I’m running Amazon Music and Qobuz through JRiver and using some of the JRiver filters. But I have not found a good way to remotely control Qobuz or Amazon Music from a tablet. JRemote gives me that functional for my NAS library which is great. So far Roon gives me that but I’m open to other less heavy solutions.

    If hell does freeze over and JRiver were to integrate streaming services then they would pull away a lot of Roon users having stability issues.
     
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