Judegate (formerly: STOLEN ITEMS ALERT)

Discussion in 'Tales from the Bully Pulpit' started by purr1n, Mar 20, 2016.

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  1. Deep Funk

    Deep Funk Deep thoughts - Friend

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    When HF became Huddler-Fi and users/contributors like Uncle Erik called it quits at HF the site changed. Some users/members have such an impact that when they are gone people lose interest. I lost interest because around that time the answer for every new thread became "buy an M50." Collectors and people interested in music, DIY and vintage gear almost lost their voice in the traffic of trends.

    Interesting users/members add value to the discussions. When HF becomes Newbie-Fi it will crumble like a smelly rotten pie nobody wants...
     
  2. No_One411

    No_One411 Fired by Jude

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    Let me just say that Jude basically backed Fang into a corner and threatened to pull support for HIFIMAN.

    In the end, it's understandable. No hard feelings. I don't want people getting the wrong opinion of Fang.
     
  3. shaizada

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    WOW.
     
  4. a44100Hz

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    I remember that guy, Uncle Erik. I was on HF in 2007 or 2008 and I liked it at the time. He was a staple. I was surprised he was gone when I signed up again last year. It does feel different now. I like the atmosphere here more.
     
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    Sacre merde! I wonder if Jude is going to reimburse Fang for the damages and legal fees if the employee in question sues for wrongful termination.

    On second thought ... Naah, I don't wonder.
     
  6. Rotijon

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    Holy shit what?!

    I've had my own experience with Jude and Noble (John is kind of an asshole). But i've never really drank the SBAF koolaid. Sure Jude might be a bit controlling or hissy, but not to this extent (at least in my mind)

    If what you say is true, he does deserve the hate he gets here.
     
  7. jexby

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    Rotijon,

    Wake up and pull your head out- this isn't the first time Midget Jude pulled his bitch fit at the expense of others.
    Why do you think we are incensed?
    Quit drinking the HF Kool aid. Jude looks after his wallet first and humans second.
     
  8. Rotijon

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    Jexby,

    Thing is, i dont know anything for sure. I have not been to a single canjam event, met Jude or anyone from the forums before other than a few local guys (Malaysia and SIngapore) and we are pretty damn far from the main headfi community in the states. Id rather not make my decisions based on others opinions. But if the HFM thing is true, that changes quite a few things.

    That said, the only main beef i got is with Noble (John).

    On headfi, i basically stopped reading or listening to any of the reviews there a long time ago. I still like SBAF reviews, but i take them with a grain of salt, given that we seem to have very different taste. Sbaf like the Rag, i found it bad/normal. Sbaf thinks the Yggdrasil is the best ever, i thought its pretty good. One thing we agree on is that the BW is pretty good. I think a good electrostatic setup is the holy grail, SBAF worships the HD800, studio combo. But at least people here are honest.

    But yes, your wallet first, human second sentiment seems accurate and similar to my own. I just never expected him to be that big of an asshole to the point of having hissy fits about who gets into what beta first, and swinging his weight around threatening manufacturers.
     
  9. DrForBin

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    hello,

    just read this entire thread and am feeling a little sick... stealing something from a meet? WTF???

    making it right with the vendor, this is what we do.

    i (and MrsForBin) have benefited from the generosity and kindness of both members and vendors on SBAF and Chang.

    to violate that trust is lower than low.

    it is my hope (and confidence) that this incident will not taint that trust.

    (personal opinion, YMMV, yada, yada, yada... Jude is a dick, HeadFi is not an enthusiast site but a commercial one. you visit there for the "Schitt Happened" thread, the classifieds, and very little else. it is a pity that the mainstream media think its the only site for the headphone community.)
     
  10. Rotijon

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    Btw where did the screaming and kneeling bit take place? Canjam or the Headfi office?
     
  11. purr1n

    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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  12. OJneg

    OJneg The Most Insufferable

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    While it's normal to be skeptical, we don't shit on types like Jude for no reason. A lot of stuff goes on behind the scenes, subtly and not so subtly. I recommend you take Jexby's directions for head-anus decoupling seriously.
     
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    This has been an interesting read. I remember when HF losts it sheen for me. I believed everything I read there as a newbie. A for sale ad took me to alternate headphone site, HeadCase. I recognized the user as a mod from HF. This was first of four times purchasing the HD600. They took me in, loaned me gear and spoke freely about gear that was hyped. I saw past the curtain and realized the importance of the vendor agenda. HF supports the vendors that produce and the users that embrace that motto. I don't know Jude, but know plenty of folks that have crossed paths with Judepoleon. HF is not a headphone enthusiast site anymore. It is at best a find the next cash flow enthusiast site.
     
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    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    I don't care about Head-Fi's cash flow and I wish Jude all the success in the world. It is my sincere wish that he make millions.

    I just don't like him poking his nose into our business and trying to RULE THE WORLD. He flat out tried to get all Changstar members removed from the HiFiMan HEK beta. (Dumb because there wasn't necessarily such a dichotomy between CS / HF back then - most of us were still actively contributing to HF). Some members of CS had always been on friendly terms with LH Labs; but some of us were shocked during our initial meetings when some LH folks told us: "someone (Jude) warned us about you guys".

    Quite simply, I don't care about what HF does. I care about what we do. And I get pretty mad when someone like Jude, gets in our way because THE WORLD IN NOT ENOUGH for him.

    Jude had Jeff canned for one reason. Jeff gave SuperBAF a relationship with HiFiMan, and Jude wasn't going to allow that.

    You can still run a very successful business and be magnanimous (think Jason @ Schiit) and not be petty insecure little piece of shit.
     
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  15. purr1n

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    P.S. Jeff was the one who lent us his two Alpha Primes. We asked to borrow them. Do you guys remember the Alpha Prime incident? Well, it appears that Jude never forgave Jeff for lending them to us, because MrSpeakers / Dan bitched about this to Jude. Not that it really mattered because one of us would have eventually gotten our hands on an Alpha Prime sample or two and realized that it wasn't a very good headphone or at least it was very inconsistent headphone. Remember, Jude keeps track. Never cross him.
     
  16. No_One411

    No_One411 Fired by Jude

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    It was honestly probably going to happen sooner or later.

    I was under heavy scrutiny after the Alpha Prime incident, and Jude basically wasted no time to vilify me to Fang due to my connection with CS/SBAF. Head-Fi still makes up about 30-35% of Fang's sales, and basically he didn't want to get cut as a sponsor.

    I feel bad for Fang. He tried really hard to make sure I knew it wasn't personal. In the end, I wish him the best of luck with HIFIMAN. Hopefully I helped him make a difference.
     
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  17. purr1n

    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    OK. I will tell you exactly what happened. Remember Casey at LH Labs? At one meet, he wore a black T-shirt with a small digital skull and the words "Give me freedom or give me the rope". That's it. The shirt was a Changstar associated T-shirt, but there wasn't anything that said "Changstar rules" or "Jude is a cocksucker" or anything of that sort.

    Jude got so incensed at Casey for this evidently very serious infraction that he contacted LH Labs higher ups and forced him to apologize to King Louis IV, I mean Jude. Seriously, just really petty shit.

    @zerodeefex can remove this post if I've said too much.
     
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    christ almighty... can i borrow a dictionary? because i'm speechless (that's actually a pickup line that i roughly translated from spanish but it seemed appropriate here)
     
  19. jexby

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    Disagree.
    To not publicly call out Jude actions is to allow it to continue.
    Everyone in unison should publicize such shitty HF strong arm tactics, and let vendors, journalists and other forums know the headphone populous is not a bunch of dolts that can be manipulated by King Shill.

    I'm emailing Fang directly, amongst others, not to change his mind but so awareness is raised- we are not Minions to the Midget.
     
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    I did not mean to insinuate that the success of HF was a problem but rather the impetus of the control. Whatever it takes to continue the sound of francs hitting the coffers.
     
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