Marvey's Cable Rolling Adventures

Discussion in 'Modifications and Tweaks' started by purr1n, May 7, 2016.

  1. skem

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    I would be happy to measure these for you, if you'd like. Perhaps we could learn something.
     
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    Are you talking about all four interconnects or just the Duelund? I guess I could make another set of Duelund interconnects and send those to you. I have another set of the Furutech FP-126(G) connectors I used too. Or, I could send you some of the Duelund wire to measure.
     
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    Anything you wish. It just takes a minute for measurements at discrete intervals of 1, 10, 100, 1000, and 10000 Hz. (Otherwise, I'd have to go borrow a vector-network analyzer, which I don't think is really needed for this.) PM me and we can discuss.
     
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    @winders - try out a pair of belden 8402 ICs if you're liking the dueland unshielded. I've got a 1m pair just sitting around I could ship to borrow, if interested.
     
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    Check this out:

    http://jeffsplace.me/wordpress/?p=10696

    Here is a quote from the blog:

    "I like the DCA20GA tinned-copper tone-wire a lot, and from what I’m hearing so far I think it may be a more appropriate match for the smaller signals of interconnects than its bigger brother, the DCA16GA.

    Also, in comparison to my Belden 8402 microphone cable interconnects, which I also like a lot, the DCA20GA does share an audible family resemblance that is no doubt due to them both sharing twenty-six strands of 0.15mm diameter tinned-copper conductors.

    However, the Duelund DCA20GA sounds silkier, more organic, more transparent, and more nuanced than the Belden 8402, no doubt due to only having an oil-soaked & baked cotton dielectric instead of the heavy casing, filler, shielding, and plastic dielectric of the Belden 8402."
     
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    I'd be interested to listen to the dc20ga and the belden 8402 back-to-back. might have to grab a couple meters and build a pair.
     
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    I have to retract my test and conclusions
    Ive been informed that my test was invalid due to how my headphone amp/pre amp, the ifi pro ican, works:.ifi audio confirmed " This sort of interconnect comparison is unlikely to result in an audible difference, since the switching on your headphone amp most likely only switches between the hot leads of each input. So the ground paths of both will be in parallel all the time, rendering the test invalid."

    I really feel like a dummy, ever since my test, I was certain that cables didnt make any differences, but my test was invalid since the grounds were running in parallel.
    Just compared my AQ water vs my Analysis plus ova one and I do seem to hear more information, more ambiance, better soundstage on the AQ water on my Harbeth SHL5+. the AQ water stays.
     
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    Soldered up a pair of DCA20s with some Furu FP-126Gs I had sitting around. Currently running between Freya and STA200. Will let them sit for a bit before doing any 'critical' listening, but so far they're just a little more bloomy, and have some congestion in the upper mids compared to well used 8402s, but better snare drum shell/body/punch. can't complain for $24/m pair, minus connectors.
     
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    How do the Duelund interconnects sound now? How do they compare to the Belden 8402 interconnects?
     
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    Pretty damn close. Really easy to tell they're essentially the same conductor type if comparing to the other ICs I have around (VHAudio V-Twist, Mogami 2549, Oyaide PA-02). I've got some others packed away (AntiCable 5.2, some old Clear Day silver ICs, couple more I can't remember) that I could swap in if you're interested in impressions of those compared to the Duelunds.

    Now that the Duelunds have some hours on them, the congestion in the upper mids is gone. Soundstage is pretty much the same as the 8402. I'd say they're keepers, but if you're really pinching pennies the 8402 is really close for only $4/ft. And the doo doo brown sheathing is anti-HiFi-cable-jewelry.
     
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    Anyone have any experience with Neotech interconnects? I'm considering buying my own and soldering them up but there is very little online from actual users vs. retailers.
     
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    I have played with them (I forget which ones) and they are decent cables. And I finally figured out why they added the nano particles to the whole cable. I don't know if it helps, but it certainly didn't hurt.

    JJ
     
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    I've got a pair made out of the NEI-3003 mkIII that I made a while back. Generally speaking I loath building with coax designs or really any design that places all the conductors within one larger insulation, and these were no exception. However, they sounded good and weren't the worst coax design to manage.
     
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    Neotech is one of the only real manufacturers of OCC copper if that matters to you. They are an OEM for a lot of wire and cable manufacturers. So at least the metal part should be good.
     
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    psst another sleeper wire is the Grimm TPR. Had some cables made up for balanced 1/4 to XLR and they sound as good as any $500 cables I have used.

    EDIT: Props to @Armaegis for the idea on the TPR. Big studio in Netherlands decided to buy 50 km of the TPR to rewire their studio.

    And thumbs up on the @winders suggestion of the Furutech RCAs, very good and not crazy priced. I get to make up some very short wires from Belden 1800f.

    Not really excited since a y cord made from it is good but not great, probably a bit too long.
     
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    between the TPR and the Gotham stuff, looks like i've got some soldering to do.
     
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    Let me know if the TPR has foil as well as braid when you get some., can't seem to find a pic that is clear enough.

    I need a small set of rcas and was going to connect braided shield at source end and float the shield at target end like most audiophile companies do with twin conductor used for SE cables, but maybe this will sound just as good with it connected at both ends.
     
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    Definitely look similar (Monoprice likely completely copied or licensed the design), but the Ethereal are supposed to use OCC copper, and the one in particular that I posted was a coaxial design for digital audio (which Monoprice doesn't have yet). Jay Victor made these for Ethereal before he started Pangea.
     

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