Merv's Politically Incorrect Audio Blog

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  1. ultrabike

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    I don't believe this is so.

    1. There is not one social media. There are several.
    2. We elect the social media we want by following it.

    Social media is way more democratic than politicians for one social media over the other would like us believe.

    Republican typically elect Fox. Democrats typically elect CNN.

    We vote by choosing the outlet we consume. It very much free trade, so to speak. The moment the government steps in, the moment that that freedom ends and the media becomes a puppet. I'm not for that.
     
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    Section 230, part of the Telecom Act of 1996, was the best thing since sliced bread for the Internet. For once, Congress and the President got together and formulated something that enabled the Internet of the future and today. That the Supreme Court even got into the act and removed the nonsense indecency provisions was icing on the cake!

    Since then, I'm actually sad to have seen of lot of if being chipped away. Backpage.com, DCMA, and other related attempts such as SOPA/PIPA.

    Speaking of nerfing Section 230, here's yours truly ex-Senator Dodd, then working for the MPAA, threatening to reverse-bribe his ex-colleagues who didn't want to support SOPA/PIPA:

    "Those who count on quote 'Hollywood' for support need to understand that this industry is watching very carefully who's going to stand up for them when their job is at stake. Don't ask me to write a check for you when you think your job is at risk and then don't pay any attention to me when my job is at stake,"

    Thankfully SOPA/PIPA didn't pass.

    However, years later, DMCA did pass. Really for naught because the major film studios would have to change their business models anyway to one where it was easier for people to buy than to steal.

    P.S. Doesn't that quote above sound like it could have come from Trump? You catch politicians in the right moment, and they all are assholes. Some hide it better than others.
     
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    1. No, but there are very natural monopolies in social media which is way there's not been much competition among similar platforms. For example, Twitter has face no legitimate rivals yet. Also, they do tend to move in lock step on these issues. See this list of companies banning Trump: https://www.glamour.com/story/donald-trump-social-media-bans-twitter-facebook

    2. I don't think this is correct. We're the product. Advertisers are the customer. They tell social media companies what they don't want their brand associated with. See the massive Facebook boycott for example.

    I do agree we need to be careful about potential regulation. But it's hyperbole to suggest that regulation = state controlled media. See the Fairness Doctrine, for example.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCC_fairness_doctrine
     
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    Regulation = industry controlled - the industry who has hired the most esteemed ex-politicians, best lobbying organizations, and the most money. Saw this with ACA (big insurance, big pharma). Saw this with Dodd-Frank (big banks). Saw this with DMCA (big media). High-tech isn't dumb anymore. It's taken them longer to get influence because they started late and have only been more recently burned by it, but they are working in the shadows now.

    We the people can be as careful as we want, study the issue, but politicians will be bought off.
     
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    They don’t really move as much in lockstep as you’re suggesting. Trump inciting an insurrection was too far for many people, and as companies responsible to shareholders it was a pretty easy decision for them.

    That being said, the upper echelons of tech is a small world, so who knows what conversations are being had.
     
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    I know it will never happen, but term limits may be the only way to slow down them down. Change the Senate to 4-yr terms (max 2) and house to 3 yr terms (max 2)... and once you serve your 2 terms, you are ineligible to serve again (in either house or senate).
     
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    No lobbying rules after term is ended.

    We have Senators who look worse than Palpatine and x10 more senile. Mandatory retirement at certain ages in all parts of government. This isn't ageism either.

    And bring back duels. Sick of this shit. Duels will bring civility back. If Schumer feels so strongly about something, then he should challenge Cruz to duel, or vice-versa. No modern pistols - too accurate. Only the ancient stuff.
     
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    Edit for simplification:

    The end customer is always us. The advertisers are a form of suppliers.

    We consume the media content and media supplier adds.
     
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    Anyone who chooses anything other than a rapier for unarmored 1-1 dueling is an idiot. Fight me. :D
     
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    Downside with Term Limits (which we have in FL for our Legislators) is you are so focusing on making connections for possible brides/influence from the donors big time x100. My State Rep gets tons of donations from the companies that run the Charter Schools in Jax (which BTW I'm for school choice, but not the way FL set up the system, too much money flow through the FL GOP from these companies), since in FL our Legislators are part time for two months of the year and it doesn't pay much. Most Legislators use their State House/Senate position as a jumping stone to a crushy donor class job, working for a big law office (since most of the FL Legislators are lawyers), get big connections in one of the big industries, or work for the Dem/GOP. Sometimes in the US House/Senate those guys don't blab about their connections, not in FL, lol.

    Still, it might benefit the US House/Senate for some term limits.
     
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    There would have to be a package of reforms that severely restrict what politicians could and could not do both during their time in office and after in order to make a significant dent in bribes and lobbying tactics. I honestly don't know what solid reforms would look like these days.
     
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    No one is going to touch section 230. There are enough former Silicon Valley executives and lobbyists in Biden's cabinet to either kill any initiative to repeal 230, or secure the presidential veto.
     
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    He never called for violence. He did make unfounded claims that precipitated it, and did seem to condone or at least not condemn it.

    The above also describes countless blue check twitter posters over the summer who helped created an environment where months of destructive rioting and looting was tolerated.

    To my knowledge, they were not banned. You might say that as president he should be held to higher standards. The counterpoint is that a democratically elected leader should not be silenced.
     
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    This would be healthy in another level: there would be initiative to be physically fit.
     
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    Well the 60s civil rights movement turned violent at the end of a boom bust cycle outside any government's control.
    boom -> black migration north and to urban areas that slowed during the Great Depression -> civil rights -> bust -> violence -> white flight -> black flight.
    Now the wealth inequality is worse than ever, much of the nouveau riche and growth sectors are propped up by low interest rates and bullshit and the government mismanagement, and shit is hitting the fan. Uber admits they can only be profitable by replacing drivers with robots. Many streaming services basically can't be profitable or can't be profitable and produce or pay for new content at the same time. They're not Twitter where users make low effort content for free for Twitter. Where's the money? Yet their executives are paid millions to billions and their stock prices rise.

    China has its own problems with treating internal migrants like shit. BLM and QAnon are f'ing nothing compared to the Taiping Rebellion. If some pissed off Chinese migrant decides that he's the new Chinese younger brother of Jesus, God himself tells him the CCP is chaotic evil, and he gets part of the PLA to join him with launch codes included, HOLY SHIT.
     
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    Running your own servers and doing your own thing you don't owe these greedy endless expansionist companies anything.

    I don't know about the state vs private company thing, I stand for open Internet for civil use.

    Anyway, I am thinking it is quite hard to compete with Big Tech ads, but the connectedness creeps me out.
    Including Instagram New Terms of services
    Currently, they own all of your data.. Including "our" camera. Access to all device information, including when using on PC. I actually looked it up. You don't have even full control over your own phone.
    In 10 years who knows what they will own... You don't even get a popup banner to accept new terms of services.

    Notice that by using the service, you have agreed to everything they write in their terms of service.

    Don't even start on TikTok, looks especially trustworthy.


    I still use some Google services but I like to keep my dependency on IT tech decentralized if I can help it.

    Example... I can run Linux Mint if I get bugged out about some MS stuff I don't like and use open source software. I had a problem that my Ethernet happens to not work on lates Linux Mint and W10 tends to be rather stable.
     
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    The entire Summer of Love was organized on Twitter and Facebook, multiple assaults on federal court in Portland, nobody said boo.
    The tech companies reached the level of power where they do not need any standards or policies, they do not even have to pretend having any.
    This is the ultimate show of force to say: we are lying, we know that we are lying, and we know that you know that we are lying. And that's OK.
    I fee like I would be watching the communist party official news channel during Martial Law in Poland all over again. The same attitude.
     
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    While I think Section 230 needs to remain unchanged, at what point are these huge social media outlets more like public communications or a utility? I have no idea how you could ever "draw the line" that says Twitter/Facebook/Instagram/etc faces some sort of regulation while others don't, but the reality is that they are completely different than sites like SBAF, Watchuseek, etc.

    A one size fits all approach isn't really appropriate
     
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    Just getting back to this thread (Tuesday), but again well stated. As someone who tends towards abstraction and theory, it is a good reminder. One thought how this applies to our current political situation, in that it appears that with the electorate so evenly divided, and a real stagnation in the legistlative branch because of this and the resultant inability to horse trade/compromise, that at least on a national level the ability to focus on a single problem, let alone multi task, is all but gone. At the same time there seems to be plenty of energy for symbolic actions, like impeachment show trials. This is what I predict will happen in the next two years - a handful of idealistic left wing "we gotcha you deplorables!" bills written by AOC and singed by Biden, but nothing of substance.
     

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