Merv's Politically Incorrect Audio Blog

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  1. crenca

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    Trump and his administration only has the authority that our Classically Liberal constitutional system grants him, which is not very much. Since there is no real/influential Trump personality cult (just about every Hollywood actor and late night TV host has more of a personality/cult following) he has no real authority either via the system or outside of it culturally. The only authority he has with the vast majority of supporters such as myself is that he ain't the other guy, does not hate me and my conservative and/or Classically Liberal values, will appoint other-than-progressive-ideologs to the Supremes, etc. In other words it's just another presidency and politics as usual.

    Except its not, in that since Trump is not an insider (either a Democrat nor a Republican - he's a RINameOnly) he's had even less influence than is usual. His efforts to actually change the status quo around the working class, trade, manufacturing, and the like have been just plain unsupported from the inside (mostly by congress) because neither the Dems nor Repubs have any self interest in upsetting the progressive/globalist apple cart. He idealistically thought he could make a real dent in the status quo economics and the Washington insider "swamp", but he knows now how entrenched these realities are and how little actual power the US presidency wields. Since he is severely limited in the personality dept., he was never going to be a symbolic leader in the mold of a even an Obama, let alone a Kennedy or Reagan.

    Look, you seem like a nice devoted and loyal follower of the Big Media, Big Progressive and Big Party Politics. Your not going to get much from talking to me because I'm not even on the same planet as these usual thought (really emotional) boxes....
     
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    I sincerely hope so. If you're interested in real world cases of how easily this is undone (and the specific mechanics), look at Russia and Turkey.

    That's a good one lol.

    Anywho, apparently going back and forth is pointless so instead, I hope you have a nice day.
     
  3. purr1n

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    We need to go far far back on administrations' authoritarian tendencies, back to FDR, back to Lincoln, back to Andrew Jackson, heck Jefferson.

    Certain things have evolved, various Constitutional Amendments, arguably most or all of them good. However, for the most part, things were just as vicious back in the old days. Politicians and aspiring presidential candidates have even dueled each other with deadly results. One sitting President got shot. To think that we've somehow evolved to be civil citizens of the United Federations of Planets is a huge overestimation of human beings. We're still more like the Galactic Senate of the Republic in the Prequels. The difference is that our institutions such as fair elections have survived and will continue to survive.

    If Trump is actually dumb enough to pull a Putin, folks like me (and many many others) will make the Proud Boys look like a bunch of sissies in terms of bringing down a government.

    This stuff about authoritarianism, right wing groups, etc. is major media alarmist bullshit. It's sad when it's the small liberal media outlets like NPR that report more about local small business owners having their stores looted or burned down by rioters than CNN, ABC, etc. FWIW, my entire street got ransacked a few days ago, cars broken into, mailboxes raided (this is just part of the general chaos and unhappiness right now). From my Ring footage, I can assure you the perpetrators weren't Proud Boys or militia groups.

    Seriously, have you taken a look at the photos of those militia dudes? They are a bunch of losers playing special forces, D&D, or Warhammer 40000 in the woods of Michigan. Oooh, scary. At no point was Gretchen Whitmer's life at risk.
     
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    I know that's what Trump sells: Not being an insider.

    This is not true. Trump is an insider. He does not challenge the status quo. He is the face of the "conservative" status quo. He represents a fairly large group. And he like most everyone in power, cares first and foremost about himself and the ones close to him. And by close to him, I mean a very few number of people.

    Do not equate Washington's swamp to the democratically labeled vast number of groups. The swamp has just as many republican labeled vast numbers of groups. And they include the Trump brand.

    He is not limited in the personality department at all. He appeals to large numbers of the population. Quite successfully.

    Furthermore, Big Media includes Fox News, Washington Times, New York Post, and so on. Don't reduce the power of the media. Big part of it is behind Trump.
     
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    I can't agree with you @ultrabike about Trump's insider status. Sure, he is not an outsider like you and I - he has real resources (personal and otherwise), a functioning political machine, media experience, and the like. He has the backing of the GOP machine up to a certain point, but this is only because that's what parties do. He only won the nomination and the election however because both parties got complacent and misread the mood of the electorate. I don't think much has changed on that front. The way I read it, before covid the Dems assumed a second term as well, so they allowed Biden to run as place holder, even while puffing their chest out like it was really up for grabs with the impeachment circus and what not.

    As far as media, I take the fact that most of them (88% of "journalists" the last survey I saw - about the same percentage for those in Academia) vote Democrat and self identify as progressive to be proof enough of their loyalties/influence. I don't take 12% support for the GOP, even if you assume it all supports Trump, as 'big'.

    I do agree with you on the bipartisan nature of the swamp, but then I view both parties as being different flavors of progressive...
     
  6. purr1n

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    In general, I would say that certain industries and where they are located are more like this than others. SF Bay Area tech and Media and Entertainment tends to be more SJW on the account of their geographic areas and the age of their employees. Hollyweird is kind of weird in that it's liberal and espouses SJW ideals, even though executives pull off all sorts of shit all the time. The MPAA while I was there was at least smart about it. Being a lobbying organization, they know it's not smart to directly antagonize a sitting president. One just keeps their mouth shut if they have any conservative (or moderate if in CA) leanings.

    Oh CA wildfires? It's Trump's fault because he's a climate change denier. Oh CDC bungling COVID testing, it's Trump's fault because he cut the budget last year (never mind two prior administrations of cuts). Oh Trump cut travel from EU to the USA because of COVID - Trump is a racist (spoken by a white person from the EU who has probably experienced 1000 times less racism than me). No one talks about issues or pros/cons. Basically, everything is Trump's fault. And if you have any one specific view that is "right" leaning, like "isn't this gas and car tax increase supposed to expire at some point?" then you are looked at funny. The only good thing is that Trump makes all other conservatives look appealing. I enjoying being able to wear my Reagan/Bush T-shirts in our Zoom calls without being hassled.

    Back getting back to things: in the old school industries I worked in, it was more just keep that shit, left or right, outta the workplace.

    It's not a matter of allow rather than catching up. Law is way behind in terms of high tech, personal data mining, artificial intelligence. These people in Congress are actually too dumb to fully realize and understand it. It really is an "OK Boomer" moment when it comes to this stuff.

    One kind of AI technique involves feeding the system a ton of data for it to predict stuff. It's pretty amazing. The AI up-sampling program I used for recreating the original of the King Jude postcard is an example of this. Facebook can predict what kinds of ads will have the most effective return per dollar on its users based on the posts that they like, their friends, the content of their posts, and what other information they've volunteered, e.g. favorite band. Google does this too, but from what I've seen Facebook is much better at it. Heck, they even got my wife to sign up for one of these free trial things only to be suddenly billed over a hundred bucks. (It turns out this strange NY based company has had many complaints against it on the BBB and there is a class action lawsuit against them).

    --

    Typical meeting / shooting the shit while waiting for everyone to join Zoom call:

    EU folks: Hi, how are things going?
    LA folks: Well, lots of fires, sky is red or grey.
    EU folks: Why is that?
    Merv: 100 years of forest mismanagement, urban encroachment into fire zones, politicized CA regulatory safety agency prioritizing renewable power over safety, longer more extended summers because of climate change.
    LA person (joined a bit later): Trump, blah blah, Trump, climate change, Trump, blah, blah, Trump, climate change.

    WTF I'm thinking to myself - I guess I'll just shut the f**k up next time.
     
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    I concur with @crenca. Trump never held elected office before he was elected. Insiders spent decades being politicians, which is another serious issue as well.

    I'll say this, tons of right wing and left wing media sites to go around for your daily bias news. Just pick your flavor. ;)

    @purr1n on the CA wildfires, is most of the fires on Federal Land?
     
  8. purr1n

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    Most of fires are on Federal land. However most of the fires near urban areas are probably on CA State land or private property which is the responsibility of the state. For example, the wooded hiking trails I go on are mostly State Parks or part of the Santa Monica Mountains Conservancy, unless I drive out a hundred miles further to US National Forest territory.

    Ultimately, it doesn't matter as I am pretty sure there is no such thing as the USA Fire Department.
     
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    I'm not disagreeing, but let's not forget the general "Thanks, Obama" meme - you can't forget there's large minority of the U.S. population that likely blames a lot of their current livelihood on the things that happened during the prior-to-Obama presidency. Data not withstanding.

    We're good at misplacing blame, is all I'm saying. And it takes a long time for the analysis of outcomes to point to actual statistically correlated variables to be borne out in the research beyond individual anecdotal outcomes.
     
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    We could say president Trump at some point was an outsider. But president Trump is not an outsider, and I believe it would be naive to think he was during the 2016 campaign. During the 2016 run, here is the list of president Trump Republican Party nominee endorsements:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Donald_Trump_2016_presidential_campaign_endorsements

    The list dwarfs that of the second runner up Jeb Bush. See the primary endorsement lists:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorsements_in_the_2016_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries

    That level of support by insiders, does not reconcile well with the notion that Trump was an outsider.

    What is indeed surprising is how fast he got so much support by all of these insiders. Because these insiders have agendas and the candidate must convince them that he/she is their best option. He did a great job as a salesman to these folks, which are big fish in the swamp.

    A true outsider, has no chance.

    EDIT 1:

    @crenca, actually that list is for the presidential run. For the primaries this is the right one:
    Trump:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Donald_Trump_2016_presidential_campaign_primary_endorsements
    Jeb:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeb_Bush_2016_presidential_campaign#Endorsements
    Jeb did seem to have more support. But Trump was not naked either. Consider Ben Carson (I don't even know who Ben is actually):
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Carson_2016_presidential_campaign#Endorsements

    EDIT 2:

    LOL! And it seem Pence was with Ted Cruz before he got into the Trump band wagon!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ted_Cruz_2016_presidential_campaign_endorsements
    Most folks probably are going to laugh at my ignorance about this. But wow.
     
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    I don't really think Trump has insider status as he's pushed a lot of controversial approaches which government establishment/lifers don't seem in favor of. Kushner doesn't get any credit but I've been really impressed with his approach towards prison reform and the Middle East. The conventional wisdom was that Palestine had to be part of any part of integrating Israel with the broader Middle East. Kushner ignored that and went directly to the more moderate factions (Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain) while Trump took Soleimani out and played up the Saudi-Iran rivalry. I think what Trump realized that the political establishment didn't is that that part of the world respects strength and commitment, and Trump has been standing up to Iran and China. I still have no idea why Obama thought Iran would negotiate in good faith. It was really interesting seeing how many Middle Eastern countries had no qualms about eventually engaging with the United States while Palestine refused to participate while continuing to try to shake us down for more money.

    I don't generally agree with NRO but this was a well-written piece with a lot of interesting quotes. I used to do a lot of business development and partnerships work and would not be surprised if this was actually a reasonably accurate depiction of how things went down:
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020...and-forged-a-breakthrough-in-the-middle-east/

    I generally think that there are various factions in the GOP that have arranged in the following way:
    • McConnell, Haley and pragmatic establishment figures: Have enough in common with Trump such as remaking the judiciary that they're allies by shared purpose. They mouth support but I don't think they're particularly MAGA.
    • Younger Conservatives/Libertarians: Cotton, Crenshaw, Cruz, DeSantis, Paul, and others are embracing the populist wave and "America First". Much more in tune with younger conservatives and libertarians. Doesn't feel like these guys have been around long enough to get Pelosi swampy yet.
    • RINOs and Swamp Creatures: Romney, Murkowski, McSally, and other folks who would absolutely love to join all the Bush administration folks in supporting Biden and reverting things back to the status quo.
    • Grifters: There are a lot of opportunists running for state office positions who have no professional or academic qualifications and whose biggest justification for election is aligning themselves uncritically to Trump. This also applies to groups like OANN.
    There are a lot of folks I'm not really sure what to think of such as Rubio but I generally find most current Republicans to fall within one of those quadrants.

    I've been trying to get a handle on the Democrats but the party is a mess with no leadership.
     
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    Great post @Elysian . Two thoughts:

    1) The point about Kushner (and Trump by extension) prison reform is huge, in that it is one of those things that has positive pragmatic effect on a large percentage of the underclass (obviously heavily black), that is largely unseen by the vast majority of Americans. Our justice system is widely recognized as broken, overused, and disproportional to the poor. Was it the progressive wing of the Dems who did this? No - all they have done for the last 60 years is talk about it! This speaks to @ultrabike's point about their moral/political hypocrisy.

    2) The Dems seem to have a healthy New York to California axis that is sheltered and confident enough pull off
    political circus's like the impeachment. So they obviously have their equivalent of your third bullet point.
     
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    As someone in FL, I'll give DeSantis enough time before he will go into the pragmatic status. When he was running for Gov he was running very hard right, but as Gov he has been just a regular GOP gov who isn't hard-right and actually knows how to play the game in FL (aka don't govern if this is a deep south state, but a state full of moderates). He is not even close to being a Libertarian thou, and none of these guys on your list are true Libertarian in the sense that they pick and choose what "Libertarian" traits they feel like having. Rubio is already a pragmatic establishment figure of the GOP after being in the Senate for 10+ years. I know he will run for reelection again and he will win easy in FL (due to him being Cuban the Hispanic vote will go to him not because he is with the GOP but he is Cuban).

    I like Crenshaw, but I dunno if he will make a big impact as a House rep if I have to be honest. Something like a Senator might be better for him. Cruz talks a big game but I put him under the Establishment figures since he been in the Senate for awhile at this point.

    Arab nations being friends with Israel is a well known secret. Most of the Arab nations hate Iran and they don't give a f**k about the Palestinians, they wanna get on that Israeli weapons and that massive Israeli technology. End of the day, peace = money deal. I should research more on what the US government is giving these Arab nations as benefits. I remember when Jordan did the peace deal with Israeli in the 90s that the US government wiped out the debt Jordan had with the US as a condition of making peace with Israel.

    While this stuff helps, it is only on the Federal Level. GOP controlled states like in FL aren't interested too much in prison reform. However, it is FL culture that even minor crimes we send your ass to prison. The real changes must be done on the state level, and that is a f'ing mess by itself.

    Best way for Trump to win black voters, push to legalize weed. He should honestly say f**k everything and do that, and see how fast his support will go up the roof. I'm not joking.
     
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    I know they are being allowed to buy advanced weapons from us, such as the F-35 (excepting perhaps Qatar which has too obvious past ties with Hamas - they will at least get more F-16's though). Jordan just granted overflight to Israeli airlines. No doubt these small Gulf states are looking to draw in well off Israeli tourist, and other trade as well. Our swampy defense contractors sure appreciate the business.

    All this is real politic that is the norm in the middle east or anywhere else. Thing is it took place under Trump and in part at least through his efforts, so why is he not getting credit for it? If it had happened under Obama he would have received another peace prize.
     
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    He isn't getting credit due to the world is focusing on Covid-19. Honestly, only the right-wing media and the Israeli focused sites were focusing heavily of it (I almost spilled coffee when I got the alert about the UAE deal, I was like snap someone wanna get that Israeli tech).

    I know if Covid-19 wasn't a thing it would be bigger news. I know I think the bigger news sites talked about it for a day/two and moved on to Covid-19 crap.

    When it comes to voting time, this would not be a high priority for the majority of people. Except for the Pro-Israeli Christians and the Conservatives Jewish voters.

    Now, which state would this be the biggest impact?.......

    It isn't hard.....

    FLORIDAAAAAAAAAA!!!! Outside of NY and CA FL has the third biggest Jewish population. The FL GOP and the National GOP + Trump groups are pushing these news hard in the Jewish parts of FL. I seen this stuff near the Temples and the Jewish Center about ten minutes away from my apartment. It also make sense, the Jewish voters here in Jacksonville are majority Republican registered voters and most came from old/new money. FL GOP knows they won't win all the Jewish vote in FL, but it is about lower the % of those voters going Dems.

    We talked about the FL school bill law that I had issues with. Use that plus Trump successes in the Middle East and you have a reason why some Jewish voters might vote just a little more for Trump next month.
     
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    Something else crossed my mind today - are healthcare costs in America ever going to get fixed or are we just screwed forever? If it can get fixed, what does the road look like? If not... well it's pretty obvious that it's far from ideal here. I notice that none of our politicians are talking about it (probably b/c lobbying + US politicians are way too cheap).

    Notice I use the word healthcare - not insurance, not prescriptions, not Medicare/caid, not the VA or veteran insurance system, etc. Also note that I am not advocating for the system used in any one other country b/c they have what I suspect are serious issues too and cracks are starting to form in these places too.

    With an inverted population pyramid / aging population and the fact that 75%+ of healthcare costs for the average person occur in the last 20 years of their life (IIRC it's anywhere from 50-80% in the last 6 months for most people, but I may be wrong) + SS is expected to be bankrupt before 2040, this is going to be a big problem really soon. Even worse when we consider that this aging population that is already the biggest section of the US in terms of population controls an even bigger % of the wealth. What should be the biggest transfer of wealth in US history (old people to those inheriting money) may instead be the biggest pilfering ever (via healthcare costs and inheritance taxes... but these taxes are another story). And no, the gains from playing the stock market and betting on pharma, insurance, etc b/c you "saw this coming" is not going to be enough for the money you get screwed out of or for the fact that this could be the first major step in 3rd worlding the US. /s
     
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    The real reason I am not concerned is very simple: even if Trump wanted to do it very badly there is no chance in hell he can.
    Totalitarian regimes have some things in common: the state agencies, the media, the population surveillance tools, legislature, work for a single party. In the past the dictators either used the armed forces (Argentina, Chile) or popular uprising to subordinate the rest of the population. And use the legal system to consolidate it.
    Now, I will leave it to your imagination which part of the US political spectrum is closer to realize this model :rolleyes:but you can see that Trump has absolutely no means or chances to become a dictator, no matter what his supposed "authoritarian tendencies" are.
    He may be an authoritarian by temperament but he will remain a very lonely authoritarian in his own country. The chances that 82nd Airborne will descend on Capitol Hill to install Trump as the sole ruler are, I would say, very slim.

    The only reason for the concern could be, IMO, Trump personality, his overgrown ego, his desire to show to the world every morning whose dick is bigger (pretty weird occupation for a 75 years old man), his propensity to make more enemies than friends every day. Trump is a very difficult person to like, to say it mildly.
    But what steps has Trump actually taken to overthrow the American constitution? Except that the media are saying that he would love to do that. Maybe.
     
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    We cannot separate healthcare costs from insurance. Costs to the customer are dependent and specific to the type of insurance and insurance companies' arrangements with the providers. Rates the insurance company are willing to pay for any provider are negotiated specifically for that provider. This is why it is impossible for me or anyone else to ask how much a CT will scan cost from any provider, whether it be a hospital, independent clinic, or even my insurance company approved health care provider system. It's infinite permutations of one (insurance) to one (health system provider) to one (physician) to one (you) deals. The last two are because different physicians and people will prescribe or require different types of treatments, or some people may choose to go out of the insurance company approved network or providers. Also, specific treatments have very specific codes. There are many different types of CT scans. Some are light, some are high-rez and irradiate the F outta you, some use dye, etc. Good luck knowing what you are actually trying to find the price for.

    The only way to even begin to control costs is price transparency. An easy way to accomplish this is to make it illegal from any insurance company to set specific rates with providers. However, this would cause a lot of problems.
     
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    True. I did put a big splash "f**k you Obama" on Changstar when I received my letter from Kaiser Permanente that I would be losing the insurance I had and that the replacement plan cost 2.5x as much as my old plan, had extra shit I didn't want, and didn't have an HSA* option. I don't think I had ever been so pissed off at any government action in my life. I was perplexed how this could have happened in the USA and absolutely did not expect it.



    *HSA are a means to control healthcare costs by allowing the consumer to save for a rainy day with the contributions to be tax-deductible.

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    More seriously, I would disagree. I worked in banking (which tends to be more conservative) during the Obama era. I never heard "Thanks Obama" during the water cooler conversations. I think most bankers were too busy trying to navigate the new regulatory environment. Bitching doesn't help. (And again, probably not wise to crap on a sitting POTUS who has regulatory power over you). Figuring out what needs to be done usually works better. The other reason is that bankers wanted to be respectful to their co-workers (and customers), who may have had different views. Banking tends to be a mature and proper environment. I wouldn't call it stiff though, at least not by the late 2000s. Also, not having a POTUS that twits and says dumb shit helps. Now that I think of it, I think GWB got more flack than Obama. Lots of ex-military and gov't in banking. Those guys were super concerned about how the hell we hold the peace after the invasion - they shook their heads in disbelieve. Also, I would understand "Thanks Obama" on job or economy or health insurance related issues. Blaming wildfires on any politician seems kind of a stretch.

    P.S.

    The above is the kind of stuff that haunts you for life. I don't think I'll stop muttering F you Obama or F you Dodd-Frank when I get PTSD flashbacks.
     
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