Discussion in 'Tales from the Bully Pulpit' started by Joh, Sep 26, 2015.
Yes, I can confirm this! Happened to me as well.
Hello SBAF members,
Thank you so much for the informative posts. I've only been lurking on this site for a few weeks, but I wanted to express my gratitude. Also I'm thankful for the robust search function on these boards, a lot better than other sites. The Changstar.com glossary and various threads on plankton have been very helpful.
I'm not an audiophile nor do I claim to be one. I know nothing compared to you guys, and I don't have much of substance to contribute. Yet I'm in agreement with the opinions expressed by most here (especially Amir/ASR...more on that later).
How did I find this site? I found it from reading a Reddit comment that SBAF were the obsessed experts on the HD650. (I'm surprised I haven't heard of this site sooner since I've been on Head-Fi for 14 years.) I've wanted an HD650 since 2006 when I was 18 but I didn't have $500 to spend. When I got my first job, the first set of serious headphones I bought were the HD280s and it blew me away compared to my iPod earbuds. Had them hooked up to a 2007 iMac and it was audio nirvana. A few years later I bought the HD595 and for me it was a huge leap into better sound. While they were great with music, they excelled in PC games especially Battlefield. Something happened to one of the drivers on the HD595s and I sent it back to Sennheiser under warranty but they sent me a pair of HD598s as a replacement. I was very disappointed by how the HD598s sounded and a few months later the cable ended up tearing from the cup.
Around 2012 I had a lot more money to spend on a decent headphone rig. During this time, Schiit Audio were getting lots of attention on the Head-Fi boards and Jason Stoddard himself would post often. I loved his sense of humor but more so I appreciated how involved he was in the community. He listened to us and did whatever he could to make everyone happy. He also seemed to know his "schitt" too. I'm as cynical as they come, but I never once thought Jason was on Head-Fi only to promote his products. Anyway I was set on purchasing a Schiit product but I still didn't have an idea of what kind of headphones I wanted.
Cue David Mahler.
He has this amazing compendium on 50+ headphones compared from various makers on Head-Fi. (It is still a stickied thread in full-size Headphone subforum). This guy used a $40k DAC and all sorts of ridiculous gear. But what I liked the most from David's thread were his descriptions on the headphones, their strengths and weaknesses. I compared what he wrote versus what other people wrote of the same headphones. The comparisions demonstrated his descriptions were accurate which showed I could trust his ears. The big draw for me was the "value rating" he gave for each of the headphones, sort of like the best bang for the buck. He only gave 5 headphones an "A+" value rating (one of which was the HD600). The one headphone that caught my eye were the HiFiMan HE-500s, given an A+ rating. Orthodynamic headphones were all the rage during this time on Head-Fi and I had heard about their superior bass presentation compared to a dynamic headphone. My listening habits definitely leaned towards more bass heavy music and it seemed like they would work better for me than the HD600s (or 650s). I also had heard about the supposed "Sennheiser veil" when it came to the 650s and the lack of bass tightness compared to orthos. I had been loyal to Sennheiser but I wanted to try something different. Other Head-Fi users recommended them to me since I wanted to play all genres without significant compromise. (For a brief period I had the Grado PS-500s which to this day remain the greatest rock headphones I've ever heard, yet were lousy when it came to hip-hop. It's the reason I returned them.)
I decided on the HiFiMan HE-500s with a Schiit Lyr and Bifrost. I also got two '68 Amperex OG tubes as I wanted a bit more warmth. I was happy with them, especially the bass, but I wasn't exactly "WOW'd" by them. I ended up selling them on the Head-Fi marketplace as they saw little use. I "downgraded" to a Yamaha HPH-MT220 which served me OK, almost identitcal to an ATH-M50x. But there was always that itch to get better sound than what I had.
A few years later I purchased an A/V receiver, two speakers and a subwoofer (in my sig) which blew me away. I know its unfair to make the comparision to headphones, but I loved the soundstage. It was the first time since my upgrade to HD595s that made me smile from ear to ear when playing my music. I would give up on headphones if I didn't live in an apartment. To get the full benefit out of the speakers I have to crank up the volume. So back to the headphone world...
This time around I had access to a lot more information when deciding on headphones, amplifiers, DACs, etc. First I did some lurking on the /r/headphones and /r/audiophile subreddits. It was odd seeing so many people trashing Schiit because I thought my Lyr and Bifrost were excellent products. Anyway, many of these posters kept going on and on about "measurements" always directing someone to look at the ASR forums. One of the budget combos that gets recommended is the Topping A30+D30, which according to Amir on ASR measured very well and he gave it a recommendation. But I also saw the Schiit products didn't measure as well. Anyway long story short I ended up rejecting Amir's tests and methodology. Yes measurements can be useful, but I detested how for many they thought they were the "final word". Like his tests were "objective" or "scientific". Those results he got still require an interpretation of some sort but even doing further research into how he got those measurements I realized he wasn't taking the most utmost care in trying to achieve "objectivity" (if such a thing could be possible). See his thread on the Schiit Modi 3. I'm glad I never purchased that Topping set too.
Anyway those Reddit pages were not helpful at all and are cesspits. But the mention of SBAF there brought me to this forum. I read the "deconstructing Amir's hackjob" threads which all I could do is nod my head in agreement. I also agreed with everyone's criticisms of the stuff he puts out there as well. Anyway did a ton of reading on various threads here on Schiit products, HD650, and so on. After 13 years of originally wanting an HD650, here I come back full circle.
So I got the Valhalla 2 after reading Purr1n's Schiit amp comparison thread, seeing it had the same plankton rating as the Ragnarok and also Val2's purported synergy with the HD650. The Modi Multibit is an incredible value but I wanted USB5 and the possibility for upgrades in one box, so got the Bifrost Multibit. And finally got a pair of used HD650s.
Anyway the result? Pure audio bliss. I'm hearing sounds in recordings I've never heard before. I'm in love. Sure the soundstage may not be as good as my speakers, but they mimic their sound so well.
So I'm happy to say I have my "end-game" headphone setup. I wanted it to be under $1k but oh well. This is worth every penny.
Wouldn't have gotten there without the excellent posts from folks here, so again thank you so much.
Man. Following up to the previous post will be hard. I'm sick, in bed, high fever, loose stools, dizziness and stomachache. So I'll keep it brief.
Schiit Lyr 3 with Multibit
Woo Audio WA7 with Tube PSU
Sennheiser HD660S (will probably return these)
Looking for a closed back to compliment the HD800S
Jabra Elite Active 65t
Ultimate Ears triple. Fi 10
Martin Logan Motion 40
Harman Kardon HK3490
Polk Audio LSi series.
707 towers x2
703 bookshelves x4
Rti60 ceiling speakers
Yamaha Aventage RX-A3070
I'm a software engineer from London who is really curious about erm, "audio science". I want to know why things sound the way they do - especially why some things correlate with measurements and others do not. I also want to be able to discern between sound sound science (trying to avoid the pun here), and spherical cow in a vacuum sort of stuff. But those AES paywalls aren't helping with that at all.
I'm a believer of the church of Harman and shall have no other target but the most Harmanious one. I've dabbled with other targets, mainly the Diffuse target which is generally approved by the church of Harman. I will confess I've also sinned and occasionally enjoyed sacrilegious 3K peaks of less than 7dB, in secret.
I also love DSP and I think its going to be the next big hawt thing in headphones (probably together with VR headsets). As soon as we fully figure out how to simulate HRTF and understand what happens inside ear canals this is going to get super awesome. I can't wait for music recorded with 18 artificial ears arranged in a spherical polyhedron that changes when you turn your head and makes you feel like you're in the concert hall when you close your eyes. You say gimmicky, I say "the future".
I'm kinda cheap and my gear is cheap, including my basic IEM measurement setup with dayton imm-06 and a vinyl tube coupler. I think good sound can be had on a budget, but I'll be trying some expensive stuff first chance . I made my own app for measurement and PEQ building which is quick and free and works entirely in a browser: https://eq.spion.dev/
You need more sin.
If you like 3k peaks >7db with that setup, you need WAY more sin.
Dimitri from San Francisco here.
I'm a software engineer for 20+ years. But in my youth, I used to be cool, dammit!
Decades ago, I was a flamenco guitarist, and a pioneer in online music lessons. I performed solo and with local troupes, but age caught up with me, and injuries forced me to put down my guitar for good.
Over time, I've replenished my creative void with other interests, including fish-keeping, pizza-making, BBQing, coffee roasting...
I'm not a gearhead, nor an audiophile; I just love music. I particularly enjoy the exhilaration of discovering (and re-discovering) great music.
I enjoy reading the forum, but will likely do more lurking than posting; I just couldn't pass up the opportunity to sign up during your current open enrollment.
My name is Parham and I am from Mississippi. I am a complete newbie and have enjoyed lurking and gleaning whatever small knowledge I can. As far as my gear goes I have
Sennheiser HD 660 S
AudioEngine A5 powered speakers.
I have ordered a Gungnir Multibit and a Mjolnir 2 which should arrive tomorrow.
My name is Michael from Vancouver. I am 20. I recently got into audio last year; so I still have a lot to learn. I'm working part-time at a movie theater (mainly to support this hobby) and with the remaining time I go to school. I got into audio after trying out a pair of V-moda headphones. At the time I had only ever listened to cheap earbuds; I never knew audio could sound so good. Thus I began my journey into finding good audio.
I'm currently using PC(optical)->RME->HD800S
I also have:
789 (on pre-order)
Verum 1 (on pre-order)
My hobbies besides audio are: watching anime, reading manga, and cars
Your avatar name is hilarious.
I'm an audio engineer and live musician obsessed with gear that's as transparent, neutral and accurate as my wallet allows. Longtime lurker of SBAF and Head-Fi, thought I'd sign up today for some advice and recommendations.
The listening gear I'm used to are various studio headphones calibrated with Sonarworks Reference 4 and various monitor speakers in treated rooms.
When I'm checking out new gear, nothing makes me smile sooner than hearing a mix sound exactly like I'd worked on it to sound.
Had been a long time reader of headfi but recently found myself in need of more objective advises..so I am here.
I started this hobby about 11years ago when I went overseas for education. Music was my cure for loneliness at that time. Now I have a job and family and my setup also evolved from portable (tf10+iPod video, dx50) to desktop-based (dam1021+ bottlehead crack + hd650). Genres I like also got boardened so much. Looking back, it has been a nice ride.
Still remember the first time reading a review of audio gear, didn’t have a clue what did they mean by lushness, soundstage, laid back etc, but after all these years...I still don’t.
My journey started in 2008 when I was second year student. My first earphone was an Jays qjays 1st gen, which I broke the cable in 2 weeks. Luckily I was able to trade for my first real headphones, a Grado sr-125. Being a student, I searched for a pair which has most potential for modding, and my first mod was aluminium cup for them. Then I was hooked, searching for headphones I can mod. I modded most conventional projects, like the planar sfi drivers in different donnor cups, fostex t50rp in aluminium, decorated with leathers (left headphones)
After graduation ,getting a job, I was obsessed with the sony r10, but obviously couldn't afford, so I searched for the best dynamic headphones at the time -hd800( which also I couldn't afford) and took a leap of faith, just buy a pair of hd800 replacement driver, design my enclosure in wood, taking headband from a Superlux hd660 and make my own. It cost half of what hd800 was, and also didn't sound good. So i i boug a 3d printer and so far have made 7 different version until I believe I have perfected them. The original wood cup was too deep, looks bad, so I cut them shorter.
Now I have a wood cup hd800 with iris door and 3d printed parts. It can be convertible between open and closed. I compare them to a hd800s and sennheiser amp in berlin and it sounds on par, but tonality is to my liking.not bad for 7 years of trials and error.
Also I have a completely open hd800 3d printed
And latest project, a 540 ohm 50 mm berrylium driver from aliexpress. The driver is much cheaper than hd800, but perform admirably.
Now I want to make the 3d file available for sale, since it was the result of my years designing and listening and testing.
However it is totally new to me and I'm not sure if that many people is interested or willing to spend something that they are not sure it works, or involve ordering many extra parts. I'm glad to hear your opinions
Hi everyone my name's Jeff and I'm a high school math teacher on the beautiful west coast of Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada. I've had a passion for music and high quality sound my whole life but it's only comparatively recently that I've invested any serious money into it. There's a shop called Headphone Bar in Vancouver that carries a lot of quality stuff and through it I've been exposed to lots of great gear. Whenever possible I'll purchase from there to support Travis' store-- I'm also very grateful to be able to demo gear before I buy it. Thanks to Headphone Bar I became exposed to Campfire Audio and have become a bit of a fanboy-- my two daily IEMs at the moment are the Atlas and the Solaris. I just shared some impressions of the Solaris on Head-Fi that I can post here too if it's not a breach of protocol for a noob like me to do so. I don't have any experience with full size cans as most of my listening is done on the go...but that may change someday.
I came across this forum when researching IEMs and found it to be nice source of focused discussion and quality information. That said my first impulse to sign up wasn't based on audio gear at all but on the fact that so many of you have cat pics in your avatars. I love cats about as much as I love music and I figured that a place full of people who love cats and music is somewhere I need to be. Anyway I'm glad to be here and looking forward to contributing to and learning from this community.
PS: What a gorgeus avatar
Thanks His name is Mango and he's rockin his Fiio M9 and Campfire Audio Atlas.
Hi all, I’m Ben. I’m originally from NY and now live in LA. I’ve enjoyed the content here for a while now and took the opportunity to join during the recent opening. I’ve been an IEM guy for more than a decade and I’ve cycled through a variety of Shures, Westones, Campfires, and many more. I'm glad to be joining and look forward to continuing to learn from this community.
finally got the confirmation email working...
I've been into audio since college when I bought my first "real" stereo. Had to slim down the home system because of kids, so now I do most listening at work using custom Noble K10s and Katanas. Always looking for something better, but so far I haven't found a closed back headphone I like better than my ciems.
I write financial software by day, but still occasionally find time and motivation to update an audio tool for the Mac that I started over 15 years ago....I used to see ~100 concerts a year and was big into live recording. That's died down a bit, though I still love listening to live albums.
Hi my name is Felix turning 20 y/o in June I'm from Germany.
Not really that much into Audio yet but would like to step up my audio setup and with that improve where ever I can learn about general and specific understanding about what's pleasant and unpleasant to listen to.
I stream a lot of gaming related content especially shooters, games with wonderful soundtracks. But I feel like my viewers don't experince it as I do. Other than that I belive in true born Objectivity and science and I do think it's everywhere but changed up my mind on Displays / Sound in that regard lately to a more subjective view.
With that out of the way I hope someone can poke me into the right direction and take me by my hand and guide me through some of this. I currently use the Takstar Pro 80 on my PC connected to my OnBoard - Audio.
Some personal audio history used countless of cheap headphones/earbuds over the years for gaming my first actual pair of headphones I bought where Razr Kraken which I was really keen of back in the day until I broke them by running over the poor cable with my chair for like 20 times. Before that point I would only really use earbuds to listen to music, sounds on my own, while my parents already understood good sound all the time I remember we used to have a 5.1 Surround Setup from Panasonic with a decent Subwoofer in the background and watching movies with near cinema like soundscape that's why I today still can get into movie watching session on Neftlix to like up to 8 hrs. So yeah I used [redacted][/redacted] headphones from Microsoft which where also not that good to really terrible Logitech H600s I feel like I almost heard always distored sounds before I got my hands on my current headphones. And the most blessing pair of headphones I had on my head was probably the setup I did try out and listened to on my brother's setup using a proper amplifier and mixing board and at the end getting sound from comftorable and great sounding headphones the Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro.
Even though I had been told I have a good hearing already I never treated it like I probably should have. So mh that might be one of the reason why joined the SBAF forums.
Hello everyone. I'm Dusty. I've been lurking sbaf since registration was closed (1-2 years ago) and registered today since I noticed its open. Glad to be here. I do audio gear reviews on my Youtube channel. I plan on getting some measurement gear soon to include that in my reviews.
I've grown in a family were music was very important. My parents had the biggest music collection in town. When I was just a kid, every week I'd go with my parents to buy new music at the record shop.
Now, in my mid 30's I'm a music lover like them. I run my local town Facebook audiophile group, I organize monthly meetups and as I've said I review gear.
Currently my listening setup is: Meze Empyrean paired with NuPrime DAC-9 and NuPrime HPA-9. I've been through other headphones from entry level to flagships. I recently sold my HD800 and LCD2C to be able to pay for the Empyrean which I love.
Most of the music I listen to is Progressive Rock, Alternative/Indie Rock, Psychedelic Rock, EDM, Jazz, Blues.
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