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  1. Azteca

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    https://community.roonlabs.com/t/ho...r-new-qobuz-releases-to-show-in-roon/105001/5
    https://community.roonlabs.com/t/ho...-new-qobuz-releases-to-show-in-roon/105001/13

    If this doesn't work, I'd suggest searching more on their forums or reporting it.
     
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    Big UI and perhaps fundamental functionality changes coming to Roon next week:

    https://land.roonlabs.com/introducing-1-8

    Because I am old and don't like change, I am going to hold off and let others beta test this one. That said the expansion of the "focus" functionality looks helpful, and I am curious about the revamp of how they search/present classical as a genre.

    What I really want right now is a way to exclude MQA from Roon altogether, but because the principals of Roon are Bob Stuart true believers, they privilege MQA (i.e. present the Tidal "MQA 44.1 24 bit" over against the Qobuz real 44.1 24 bit PCM, forcing you to drill down into "Versions" to get to it).
     
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    Why you have both Tidal and Qobuz?
     
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    When I am in a modern music mood, particularly instrumental electronica, Tidal has me covered. Qobuz has maybe a 1/3 (if that) of what Tidal has, and is even missing a few of the big artists titles. When I am in a Classical or Jazz mood, Qobuz has me covered, whereas Tidal is simply missing many albums.

    I don't listen to much modern pop/rock, but others have said that while Qobuz has most of the big releases/artists, Tidal's library is significantly larger.
     
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    I am really digging the look of this update so far. Just PRAYING that the android app is getting an overhaul as well.
     
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    I get the reason...but ewwww Tidal. Sorry bud, you will have to continue being triggered over MQA. That Roon 1.8 video still has the MQA logo all over the place, so I do not think this will go away anytime soon when dealing with versions.
     
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    Huh, Roon always chooses Quboz over Tidal for me.
     
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    Say more, say more. Say you do a search on Joris Voorn (just to choose an example), and after clicking on his "Artist" page you scroll down to look at the albums. The most recent three have been batch converted by Tidal into MQA (two of them are 44/16, one is 44/24) and if I want to listen to the real PCM I have to choose the album, click "Versions", find the Qobuz PCM, click it, and play.

    How are you avoiding this?

    edit: Also, if you do not have "Show format information on albums" toggled to yes (Settings > General) and/or you do not habitually notice what fomat is being utilized in your Signal Path, you may very well be unaware that you are regularly playing MQA. Funny how things just seem to work out for the MQA/Roon/Tidal MQA promotional partnership...I mean, it's all about giving you the choice right :rolleyes:
     
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    You can: just go to Settings -> Services, edit the TIDAL settings and select Streaming Quality = HiFi, instead of Master.
     
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    Except it does not work. If you set Tidal streaming quality to "normal" or "high", Roon does indeed play the AAC. However Hifi still streams the MQA (you can see this in your Signal Path, or on you DAC if you have one that indicates MQA source) just as "Master" is supposed to do. This setting has been broken like this for 2 or 3 years now.

    Don't tell me it is working for you!
     
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    This also annoys me. I had no idea it's been broken this long.
     
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    It may be that the version of the album/track in your Roon library is the MQA version, not the FLAC version, which (to my understanding) overrides the HiFi/Master option in settings. This might be because it takes the link literally, pointing only and specifically to one version instead of another. I don't think it intelligently knows to go look for a non-MQA version from Tidal's library if you change the playback settings from Master to HiFi. I hope that made sense.

    For example, when adding an album to Roon's library, I am always very careful to ensure it is the non-MQA version. Then I can select the heart icon next to individual tracks so they show up on as a favorite in Focus. If I do add an MQA version, and then favorite specific tracks, the MQA versions play regardless of what I set it to in options.
     
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    Not only that I brought this up on the Roon community forums 2 or 3 years ago. Granted, the thread discussion was contentious - Roon principals don't like being called out for the MQA boot lickers and promotors they are - but most of it was deleted and Roon said something to the effect of "yea yea, we will get around to fixing that". I actually went looking for this thread this morning and I can't find it. I think I will start another one...;)

    Good idea but no. Do a search for something random, an artist/album you don't have bookmarked or otherwise in your library. Find the MQA album (with Tidal set to "HiFi", format of course on so that you know what is actually being played, etc.) and try it. Besides what makes you think a guy like me would ever have MQA bookmarked...just what sort of person do you think I am? :p:D
     
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    Ha! Did it ever use to work? I thought it used to, but don’t remember when?
     
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    Not to my knowledge. Indeed it is things like this, how Roon "privilege's" MQA (in search/album listing is another example - real PCM is only shown if the Qobuz sample rate is higher than the claimed MQA sample rate, which itself is of course bogus marketing) and never fixes issues like this, that reveals for us how Roon promotes MQA. This is not tin hat thinking because the Roon principals on their forum do not hide their past working relationship with Bob Stuart nor their admiration for him. It's a Roon/Tidal/MQA three legged stool...
     
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    Glad they are dumping the horizontal scrolling.
     
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    UPDATE:

    I was incorrect - the HiFi quality setting in Roon works and Roon will play the Tidal PCM 16/44 file if there is one to play. Turns out Tidal is deleting the PCM 16/44 file when it batch converts said file into MQA. It only retains the PCM 16/44 file in some cases, such as when its MQA version was derived from a 24/48 or higher source file and the label allows them to keep both (such as is the case with ECM):

    https://community.roonlabs.com/t/tidal-streaming-quality-setting-is-broken/138968


    This comes back to the old request for Roon to give the end user the ability to privilege real PCM hires over MQA (through an end user setting and/or "focus" functionality). This goes against their business model of promoting MQA however so I do not believe it will ever happen.

    Looks like I am getting closer to the day when I drop Tidal...
     
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    I didn't realize "holding off'" was possible, I thought it was automagic. I guess I need to figure out how to turn off updates...

    Just do it. I used to subscribe to both for the same reason you do. I dumped Tidal about a year ago to save $$ and thought I'd miss it. I don't at all, although I am not a rap, EDM or modern R&B listener (I'm still confused as to how much of today's crap is considered R&B...)
     
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    I use both Qobuz and Tidal. I wouldn't necessarily drop it. Tidal functions as a great backup library for anything Qobuz doesn't have. It means diminishing returns price wise...
     

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