Roon Discussion

Discussion in 'Computer Audiophile: Software, Configs, Tools' started by AllanMarcus, Jul 3, 2016.

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  1. earnmyturns

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    One of the biggest prizes for subscription services are deep-pocket customers for whom the subscription is in the noise (and so they never cancel) and who are more susceptible to various upsell opportunities. Audiophiles are in that class whether they think of themselves that way or not. Amazon does not need to make $$ on lossless, they just need to get them as subscription customers.
     
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    Or it's just a "halo" product so people can be comfortable thinking Amazon knows their shit and then go ahead and buy the lower-end stuff....
     
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    Maybe, but Prime and high-markup products such as new brand name gadgets is where it's at for them.
     
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    Amazon, it should be mentioned, also has the start of their own hardware ecosystem for streaming with the Echo link & Echo link amp. They could see integration with Roon as competition, or they could see it as an extension to what they already do.

    It's hard to tell where they're going a lot of the time. Famously, they announced around 60 hardware products last fall... it's impossible to say if they've got a larger strategy or if they're just building everything they can.
     
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    I’m interested in building a Roon ROCK device following their guide here.

    Has anybody here built one? Are there better alternatives in a similar price range? I want to keep it to around $500 if possible. I am planning to go ethernet out to my USBridge.
     
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    I'm not using their ROCK software, but I do have a NUC and was running Roon on it.

    Building the hardware is trivial. Literally you unscrew the case, and slip an M2 SSD card and a DIMM into their sockets, screw it back up, and you're done. If you've ever done literally anything with electronics, you're golden. Software should be pretty straightforward, too, as long as you have a computer where you can burn an image to an SD card.

    The only real downside is that the NUC does have a fan in it, so if you're keeping it in the same room as your actual listening devices, you've got that going on. It's pretty quiet under normal load, but gets noticeably loud under load (like when playing games); not sure how much load Roon's DSP stuff will put on it. Otherwise, it's a great little machine for the purpose -- inexpensive, convenient, and directly supported.
     
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    Yeah I bought a used NUC (i3) and put ROCK on it. I don’t think there’s any cheaper way than this to run Roon Core/server, other than an existing PC you already have. Using the guide it was very easy - maybe took around 45 minutes or so. I go Ethernet out to a SOTM USB streamer.
     
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    I went with an 7I5 Nuc and it has worked like a champ. I use a wd passport external 4tb usb drive for the data. Streamer is separate (auralic/hifiberry/chrome audio). I have several of each streamer and connect them directly to a dac via usb or aes. The hifiberry is analog out to my whole home system. I love roon rock. I wanted an appliance like device and it delivers.
     
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    Roon's DSP does put a significant (causing fan spool up to high) my i7 processor & GPU's in my main system.
     
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    Are you running it standalone with ROCK, or on a system with other things? I’ve only used a bit of DSP, but noticed no fan noise when I did. Also I’m only indexing about 500 albums, so not a huge collection. The i3 NUC running ROCK does fine for my situation at the moment and is basically silent.
     
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    No, I run Roon core on a heavily used Win 10 system with an i7 6700T, 16 GB, system board Intel GPU as well as AMD Radeon A9 - this is an HP all-in-one with the internals of a robust laptop. I am usually running several bands of EQ and often HP crossfeed in Roon. Both GPU's get used by Roon's DSP to a significant extent, the CPU a bit less so, but it's enough to kick up the fan speed. I also limit my CPU to 2.2 Ghz to keep Windows/apps from overclocking it. Back when I was regularly using HQPlayer all this was even more necessary, but Roon's DSP levarges those GPU's enough that the fans get kicked up out of slow/quiet mode pretty easily (espically if I am using the computer in other ways while listening with Roon). If I turn DSP off, Roon utilization goes down to a "normal" app level, but I like my EQ...
     
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    The fan on my i7 nuc only spins up when it has to index a bunch of new albums at once.
     
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    There was a Roon update a week ago. My favorite new feature is the recommendations based on album, I've discovered some good stuff that way.

    Oh, they also increased the lifetime subscription price, but the yearly rate is unchanged.
     
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    Yeah bought the lifetime after a week and I'm glad I did.

    I mean for a hobby made almost entirely of stupid expenses this was one of the most reasonable.
     
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    +1, I've really been enjoying it to. Just yesterday alone I ran into 2 or 3 albums I liked and never heard before because of it.
     
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    Does it pull recommendations from Tidal/Qobuz now? If I recall correctly, it used to only show me similar artists from my library.

    Can't play with it myself as I'm visiting with family for the holiday, unfortunately.
     
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    Yes, though Roon radio always did...but I think your right in that "discovery" was limited to your library of local and Tidal/Qobuz favorites...
     
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    Yes as other poster indicated, recommendations (from Tidal and Qobuz) now appear along the right while playing something else... And I have found them to be particularly helpful/useful/interesting...
     
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    Folks, apologies if we're mentioning it again, but just recently we launched a handy software, which allows our Pro iDSD to act like a Roon endpoint.

    More nfo is to be found in this vid:

     
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    Picked up some pretty nice cases to take my core on the road on black friday. Also picked up a nice deal on a used NUC 7I7 for 315.



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