Schiit Saga Thread

Discussion in 'Preamps' started by HitmanFluffy, Feb 2, 2017.

  1. Kratos

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    Thx for your help. I usually use the tube stage. Only had time for a quick test tonight. Couldn't hear a difference between passive and tube. Not sure, because I only listened to a couple of records tonight, but i left Loki switched off this time (it makes the little bit of hum I still have louder) and for some reason the music sounded better to my ears. More natural and less fatiguing. But as I said, for now it's only a short impression. Will do some more tests these days.
     
  2. rlow

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    A question about input impedance on Saga (which appears to be the same on Freya).

    I was reading a review of the BorderPatrol SE DAC and noticed they recommend a minimum of 20k ohms input impedance on the preamp - I’m wondering if the input impedance of 10k in the Schiit preamps is typical or is this considered low? Also, what does it take to raise the input impedance? Does it do any harm (sonically or otherwise) to add more input impedance (if possible)?
     
  3. Cspirou

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    @rlow - The input impedance is determined by the stepped attenuator since it has a tubed input. Adding additional resistance won't fix this, you would need to change the resistors in the preamp itself.

    Probably better off with something different unless you want to add an additional stage or void the warranty on the Saga.
     
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  4. rlow

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    Ok thanks, thought that might be the situation. To one of my other questions, is 10k considered lower than typical? Could this present an issue for other sources paired with Saga/Freya as well?
     
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  5. msommers

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    10,000 ohm input doesn't seem low to me. Most DACs are going to easily be 500 ohms or less (often less) which shouldn't be an issue at all. For example when impedance matching preamps and power amps, I've often read of the minimum x10 rule, better the x20 (preamp output : power amp input)
     
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    It's typical for a lot of pro amps since it's expected that they are used with a preamp. Also as @msommers says, DAC output impedance is usually pretty low. The Border Patrol DAC has a tubed output so it messes some things up.

    For a preamp though I would say that 10k is on the low end. Using a Magni 3 as a pre would work since it has a 50k input.
     
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    Awesome info thanks. I wondered why the BP DAC had such a high output impedance compared to typical. Didn’t realize tubed output drives it up.
     
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    You'll find that's why it can be tricky (sometimes) to match tube-pre's with SS power amps, especially older SS like Pass Labs.
     
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    I just thought I'd mention this because I've never seen it posted anywhere, but I can confirm that the opening in the Saga's chassis is wide enough to accept globe-style 6SN7 tubes like the Shuguang Treasure Series SE. It just barely fits, but there is about a millimeter (or a bit less) of spacing all around the tube... the tube doesn't make contact with the chassis.

    (Great tube, by the way. Arguably overpriced, but competitive with the better NOS tubes I've tried, though I've never managed to try a red base RCA, and as a bonus it looks kind of cool.)
     
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    I'd like to use Saga as attentuator between DAC and headphone amp to increase the range of the amps volume control. My plan is to use the volume control of the amp most of the time and just vary the volume of Saga when needed. Some people seem to be using it with Jotunheim and I'd be curious to read how transparent Saga is in such a setting, especially when using totl amps. The tube will certainly change some things but how much plankton does Saga loose in active/ passive mode. If any.
    I've tried a number of things so far but found nothing realy satisfying (Sys,various attentuators, replaygain preamp).

    Also, are there any technical specs that need to be considered? The DAC has 2,2Vrms out und the amp has 10k Ohm input impedance.
     
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    I was able to try a Saga with the Jot a few a weeks ago at a meetup. System was Mac - Gungnir Multibit - Saga - Jot - Clears and I struggled to hear a difference with the Saga in active and passive mode. I tried many different songs but could not reliable hear the difference. There is a possibility I could have heard something if it was at home and I had more time, but I think the Saga is very transparent.
     
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    Depends on your tube, I could hear a difference in sound-stage and sound signature between modes. Some tubes I couldn't hear any difference at all. I deduced that if you have a neutral tube, no difference. Will post what I'm using when I get home tonight.
     
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    Personally I couldn’t reliably tell the difference between active and passive mode with the Jotunheim/HD650 regardless of tube (I only compared various NOS tubes.)

    With the HD800/Elekit Tu-8200 combo sometimes I could, and in the end I felt that removing the Saga from the signal path resulted in better clarity.
     
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    I noticed a loss of clarity and dynamics at various degrees with different attentuators and preamps and wondered where Saga slots in here. Certainly in the good/ very range it seems.
    Thanks vor your observations!
     
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    In passive mode I can't hear a difference with Valhalla 2 or liquid spark out of the saga or without.
     
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    My Saga tube is the Tung-Sol 6SN7GTB from Vivatubes.com
     

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