Serious hate on fun headphones

So those with differing preferences than your own don't deserve a nice "mid-fi warmfag" headphone? Interesting...

I'll agree, I don't care for limiting dislikes on this product to only personal profile posts. With that said, if you don't think you'll like it, move along. That's what I do in all the treble cannons others rave about.

Your initial rant seems more than a little illogical and narrow minded. This is Super Best Audio Friends, not Super Only Serious' Preferences Count Friends.

 

Actually preferences usually align pretty well on here, at least on the members that have been around for a longer while. But that's not the point at all. The point is that these headphones are a thousand dollars. In this sense I just have to agree with @Tyll Hertsens that more money should give us more fidelity and not just different sound signatures. From the looks of it right now that doesn't seem to be the case.

The "if you don't think you'll like it, move along" head-fi-mentality I feel is exactly what we should avoid. I remember how the "pre production" HD700 got treated on changstar (which cost the same).

It's just that the basshead stuff always seems to be crappy at everything else, mostly bass included. To be fair the bass distortion would look better at 85db, instead of the 95db that it has to run at to reach 85db in the midrange, but that's what you get with that frequency response.
I like the more "organic" materials myself, it's just that I've not heard one bio-cellulose implementation in a headphone that has lived up to the potential. I've not heard the R10, though.

Let's be honest here: This is a TH-X00 variant driver in a different enclosure. We've already had too much of the TH-X00 shit on here. Or the Elear. Even the Nighthawk. Or the Dharma. Which of those phones were actually that good? I wouldn't mind a better-ed TH-900 with good FR and good technicalitites. I just highly doubt that this gets close*. From the looks of it the driver potential seems higher in the TH-900 still.

I do, but I also understand that some of the things the measurements show us do correlate subjectively. The driver breakup, the distortion, the treble ringing. The Eikon, the TH-X00 all had some of this shit. The R-10 had almost none of it.

The Voxativs are really not a good example here as they're the best-measuring widebanders I've seen. The FR at the listening position is absolutely fantastic, not that it really matters. And I set them up to measure slightly warm. And even in that case I knew the limitations a driver that efficient would have based on physics and measurements in terms of low end frequency response. This is why I use my woofers way up into the midrange.

Maybe it'll make sense when I get to listen to the things. I think that I got to hear a pre production version of it earlier this year which sucked. At least the phones looked like that, but it could've been something else. My memory fails me here.

*To what I'd expect from it. Heck, you could rig up an easy baffle-step shelf filter for the HE-5 to make it 5db less efficient and you'd likely have a better basshead headphone.

 

This and your other response are exactly why manufacturers are leery of giving out pre production samples. These are Beta samples, NOT mass production. They are so far from a basshead HP, that I can't even stand this comment for a second.

Listen first! ALWAYS!

Why do some people prefer tubes, why do some prefer horns or field coil drivers? They don't measure better, yet many people prefer them.

My preference is 2.5-12 watts via tube and most prominently SET, every see a graph of a SET amp? It sure doesn't look like magic, yet to me it can produce pure magic. Does a speaker really need to go to 20K? Can you hear 20K?


I just can't stand the utter dismal based on a graph.

 

So here's my take on your impressions. Maybe I'm interpreting them the wrong way. You guys seem to think that I only looked at the graphs, but the graphs are actually the last thing I looked at. I've mentioned this several times already, but I'm not a measurement person because I know how wrong they can be under certain circumstances.

Yeah, not really. Even then, good headphones have no problem with this. But at least the HP-3 also doesn't.

This right here will probably be a dealbreaker for at least 30% of the people on here. Maybe I'm odd, but I think the modded HD800 doesn't lose to the HD650 in terms of treble smoothness, so this would probably be a dealbreaker for me. HD800 is far less smooth than my speakers.

Sounds like an open TH-X00 to me, rather than an improved TH-900.

This would actually be very impressive, especially given the FR and measurements. But we have to remember here that the HD800 is cheaper than the HP-3.

Does microdynamics reasonably well. Hopefully better than HD650. Doesn't sound fully open.

 

1) Only the council of elders is allowed to pee on Arby's floor's!
2) It's Saturday. College student's should be out spending their parents money.

 

@ serious, I havent been able to see any measurements of voxativ drivers. do Voxativ offer measurements of their drivers?

you said that they measure incredibly well at the LP and im curious about that. ime, wideranger have quite a rough and rising response over 3khz. the only measurement of voxativ I have is...https://www.stereophile.com/content/voxativ-ampeggio-loudspeaker-measurements

 

@murphythecat From German magazine Audio

https://imgur.com/a/X9vLo

Very low distortion in the mids.

 

Sennheiser should improve the HD250 Linear II. Then you have good bass, a detailed midrange and AKG-like highs combined with a fun tonality.

Once you have heard a headphone with good bass (including sub-bass), detailed mids and smooth highs while sonically being almost flawless you have a hard time picking up a different headphone for music listening. The price tag does not matter. "Warmfag" or not, this is not new to me.

@Serious, check out these headphones and you kind of understand a bit more.

• AKG Sextett/Philip N6330
• Sennheiser HD250 Linear II
• AKG K240 DF (middle or late production)
• AKG K240 Monitor
• AKG K1000 (bass heavy version)

In their own time these headphones were pretty expensive and sometimes even experimental (old AKG had some crazy versions!) so the issue of warmish sounding headphones has existed for quite some time.

How do I know this? I mean I am 29 and I started in this hobby in 2009. Well I collected vintage headphones and I have tried dozens of them. That includes some strange DT48s and a DT480. That warmish sound that you refer to as "warmfag" has a reason for existence, people like it.

 

hey, not all 18 year olds are like that.
making us look bad...

i might not know everything, but i know to say that i don't know it.

 

low distortion in the mids, whoc ares when you have highs with 5-10 db peaks from 2khz up to 10khz? that is supposedly. not sure how can anyone think the ampeggio is remotely good.