SoCal Woolsey Fire

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  1. jexby

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    ah, one reason why I joined my company Jupiter .
    that and working close by to @zerodeefex of course!
     
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    zerodeefex SBAF's Imelda Marcos

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    wrong. mainly for you to reveal where cheddar jalapeño breakfast biscuits come from!
     
  4. purr1n

    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    This "once in a hundred years" or Governor Moonbeam's spiel about "getting used to the new abnormal" is utter bullshit. The nice old lady across the street, who has been around since the subdivision was built in the late 50s, has a rock lawn, metal roof, and generator running in her yard. Big fires happen every 15-25 years. Smaller fires happen every 5-10 years. People keep rebuilding and rebuilding and adding more houses to areas right next to the hills. This is made worse by people not taking basic precautions.

    Climate Change: 5%
    Human Stupidity / Encroachment Into Wild Lands: 95%

    This gives you an idea of my subdivision (as I drive out of it). Most of the newer development (not seen - behind gates) is nestled against to or right on those burnt hills!
     
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    Houston is also an interesting situation, with human development also appearing to have a major negative impact. Unchecked and poorly planned development has caused areas that were previously thought to be "500-year" flood zones to now get flooded, not because the weather is super weird, but because the people that built up the areas did so without the necessary planning and preparations. Good article here - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...rricane-harvey-flood-houston-development.html. I do believe in climate change, but I also agree with Marv that when it comes to humans, common sense is not at all common.
     
  6. Cspirou

    Cspirou They call me Sparky

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    Yeah, Houston has always flooded as long as I lived there. No need for a hurricane, it just rains hard and some part of the city floods.

    There honestly needs to be a major floodworks project on the scale that the Netherlands has.
     
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    JustAnotherRando My other bike is a Ferrari

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    Ah, that video was enlightening. Some of the tree density there for a populated area is much higher than what I am accustomed to from semi-rural Australia (NSW).
     
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    I wasn't familiar with it. The descriptions make it sound like something that should be in Russia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Susana_Field_Laboratory

    Throughout the years, about ten low-power nuclear reactors operated at SSFL, in addition to several "critical facilities" that helped develop nuclear science and applications. At least four of the ten nuclear reactors had accidents during their operation. The reactors located on the grounds of SSFL were considered experimental, and therefore, had no containment structures.

    The location of SSFL was chosen in 1947 for its remoteness in order to conduct work that was considered too dangerous and too noisy to be performed in more densely populated areas. In subsequent years, however, the Southern California population grew, along with housing developments surrounding "The Hill". Today, more than 150,000 people live within 5 miles (8 km) of the facility, and at least half a million people live within 10 miles (16 km).
     
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    There is a reactor in Denver run by the Feds. It is within 1/8th of a mile from residential areas. It's surrounded by them, in fact. Even though it's not a secret, no one knows it's there. I've stood on top of it and looked down at the core while it was running. This might explain my baldness.

    (Reactors glow blue, not green.)
     
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    ...or your super powers
     
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    crazychile Eastern Iowa's Spiciest Pepper

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    That's a beautiful area that seems like it has a nice small town feel. I never made it into that area when I lived in CA.
    In 2008, my town (Cedar Rapids, IA) had a flood where there was water 15-20 blocks from the river in some areas. The entire downtown area was flooded up to the second story of buildings. It was a 500 year flood. Since then we've had 2 close calls where new flood wall protection and lots of temporary sandbagging saved us.

    While the city recovered, the wave of federal recovery money turned into a total shit show as the city scurried to spend it as quickly as they could on new shiny buildings in the same flood zone. There was nothing structurally wrong with the old buildings and they were sold off cheap to businesses that renovated them. We got a multi story state of the art library out of this with marble floors, expensive sculptures, etc. that predominately only gets used by the homeless so that they have free internet access. A few years ago the city wanted us to vote on a bond to raise enough money to staff this albatross.
     
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    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I figured someone here would have gone to the Wiki and read it. This is some serious shit. Parts of that place were still on fire or re-ignited yesterday. I drove on the 118 and saw a plume of smoke from that area. When I read that Wiki to my family, I couldn't stop laughing. It was accident after accident, or stupid shit after stupid shit - like that bit when people used rifles to blow up barrels of toxic chemicals.

    The elite closed gated community of Bell Canyon is just south of SSFL. Like one mile south. Don't know how those folks got bamboozled into living there.

    We call it the cheap-seats of Calabasas. This area is named Malibu Canyon and used to be unincorporated. Calabasas swallowed us up and many local residents did not like this. Hiking trails all over the place. The people are really down to earth. Jeeps and old classic cars and trucks fit right in. This is true California to me. Reminds me of the spirit of California when I first moved here as a kid and local+sales tax was 5%. There was a ruggedness and pioneer spirit back then. Not the Tesla dudes savoring the smell of their own farts or the SF dudes admonishing me about the superiority of their corporate green policies (they don't use disposable cups but instead would rather waste water by bringing in and washing their own coffee mugs). I secretly love it when people like this turn red and get so angry about politics. It's just not worth it getting angry about this stuff.
     
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    Taverius Smells like sausages

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    I hope they're eating environment-friendly avocados while they complain xD
     
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    California Department of Toxic Substances Control claims everything is hunky dory so far with the current fire. Doctors disagree.
    https://qz.com/1461195/did-the-woos...ornia-says-no-and-a-group-of-doctors-say-yes/
     
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    That is some very serious shit going on. If those nuclides went airborne they should be keeping people far away. “It’s safe.”
    I seem to recall they said that about DDT when I was a kid. Famous last words.
     
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    @purr1n , I wish you well. Stay safe. I grew up in the Santa Monica Mountains (hills of Brentwood), and I remember the 1978 fire. I've also evacuated twice from my home here is Los Alamos due to fire. Never fun.

    Remember that your home insurance will likely cover your mandatory evacuation expenses, so save your receipts.
     
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    Shit, that's just science! What do academics and scientists and researchers know? Politicians that almost half the country trust say otherwise. It's not like those politicians have some sort of ulterior motive to question climate change! Right?

    OK, way off topic here.

    I'm gonna try something. If it works, great. If not, oh well.

    Please donate to the American Red Cross to help fire victims in California. Sure, there are lots of other areas that need help too, but this thread is about the fires in California.

    I will match up to $1000 of total (aggregated) donations from SBAF folks. Simply donate and send me a PM with how much you donated.

    https://www.redcross.org/donate/donation.html/

    I will match all the donations (up to $1000) that are made between now and the end of November.

    There is a drop down at the donation link to select the California Fires. I suggest you select that option, but I will still match if you select another other option.
     
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    @AllanMarcus - What a wonderful idea! You pushed my lazy butt into motion. Well done in making this suggestion and I'll PM you the amount. Cheers and Happy Thanksgiving
     
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    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    I dislike all this talk of climate change because it does absolutely nothing to prevent future fires and mitigate their effects. Buying another Tesla ain't gonna help. Closing down a nuclear power plant that is perfectly capable of being repaired and upgraded certainly isn't going to help. Installing solar panels is great, but tell the local apartment dwellers and Mexican and Vietnamese gardeners to do that - ain't gonna happen. Solar panels are for rich people.

    The things are going to help are controlled burns, tougher zoning (people have to get over the "city on the hill" thing because those are the first to go poof), not rebuilding in spots which have historically always gone poof, and enforcement of statutes to clear shit that's gonna go poof. Even more effective would be a reduction of the population or demoting the USA to a second world country as second world countries use much less energy than first world ones. f**k, tell people to not upgrade their iPhones every year or Apple to make a phone that will last the wear and tear of four years.

    California experienced droughts before the existence of climate change. Malibu went up in flames every 20 years before the existence of climate change. Last big one was in 1993. That's 25 years without a big one. We were overdue. And when we are overdue, we pay late charges.

    I ain't giving Red Cross, yet another D.C. based non-profit foundation, shit. Ain't having a large percentage of my donation paying the Fortune 500 like salaries of senior officers, administrators, board members, bureaucrats, etc. We know who lost their homes down the street. They are still in shelters. People in the community will help when the time comes. Everybody kind of knows each other here. Betterment starts at the local level, things within our direct control or influence, not faceless foundations, or high-concept science.
     
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